Hello,

Just find this transitionnal SA with nice squirrel.... 3 piece hanger was present. 100% paint on scabbard & near mint blade.
Happy

JC

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Geez:
Another one of those pesky Eickhorn Transitionals without the word "Original". Someone must have had a bad day.
Jim

Why "bad day"?
This dagger is exactly the same as pictured on Ralf Siegert book page 157.
100% sure about originality.

I have an Eickhorn SS Transitional without the word "Original" which everyone except ONE notable individual accepts as legit. Your SA dagger is fine but how anyone can propose that the same isn't the case for an SS example is ludicrous.
N.B: There was an Eickhorn HJ knife without the word "Original" posted as well the other day.
Jim

Agree with you. I think that the presence or not of the word "original" isn't enough to say good or bad. I've any doubt about my SA.
Eickhorn logo without "original" are pictured on Siegert book page 157/159/313.
You can find a nice comment in Johnson book "Collecting the EP..." vol III page 190 about the absence of the word "original" on this Eickhorn trademark.

JC

I am the "notable individual" that Jim refers to. Actually, Jon Shallcross was the first to spot Jim's trademark and he felt it was not correct.

Please remember that Eickhorn was the most prolific of dagger/knife manufacturers before and during the Third Reich period. The trademarks they used on their various products are not the same. What was used on an HJ vs an Army vs a Navy are not at all connected. This early HJ has no "Original", but is correct

Particular care has to be taken when looking the SA and SS year to year as each changes. What is true for 1937 is not necessarily true for 1936 or 1939.

Jim has, very helpfully, posted his 1938 trademark dagger which he has told me, and everyone else, is "right as rain".

Below is what I expect to see for that style trademark for that year. Note the word "ORIGINAL" and the spacing of the components of the trademark. I have seen at least 10 daggers with the same trademark, but none like Jim's.

As I told him, it would be great if he can another few daggers with that identical trademark, then he would own a rare and desirable variation. Till then ....

Hello, ever since buying an NSKK "tranny" without "oringal" dated 1939,from Houston 4 yrs. ago, and the post from Jim M about his S/S, I have observed the following. There are 1938 and 1939 dated S/A and NSKK daggers both with and without "original" being sold by major dealers and collectors and accepted as original. I see no reason to doubt the originality of Jim's dagger even if it's the only one to surface to date! Anomaly, one of a kind, Friday afternoon at the workplace, wife mad at you, blah, blah, blah, etc. Just my humble opinion, Leipzig

Roger, I think you are correct about SA / NSKK daggers and that quantities of both version have been spotted.

SS RZM and transition daggers are quite different in the way they use trademarks. Take a look through past threads or TW's SS book and you will see that

As noted above, I hope more samples of that year turn turn up.

Dave

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As I told him, it would be great if he can another few daggers with that identical trademark, then he would own a rare and desirable variation. Till then ....

Ron Weinand reported previously that he vet acquired an Eickhorn SS transitional without the word "Original" at a motel buy years ago. He no longer has the dagger or any pictures in his possession.
Jim