The Hunline Dagger possibly we should move the disscusion? It seems that some find this subject to close to home to correspond with clear view, Dave has taken a bold step, to close the thread. Might I humbly suggest that this is moved to a nutural forum were we could discuse without any antagonisume.

Dave I think this could remove presure from your good self.

stirnpanzer would be very please to host the discusion. Here it would be possibly not so 0problomatic.

It is closed for a day or so to let everyone cool off. If you want to go elsewhere, that's fine too.

Dave