What are the feeling on this?

If you are asking about the dagger, more pictures would be needed to give you a decent opinion.

Dave

All awarded to the same guy as well

Nolan

Big time closeups of dagger, eagle looks bad so far-MJM

Looks like a dream come true....

he did call it a bit of rubish

If that were a real grouping it would be worth a house or two with 3 types of the German Order, not to mention the Honour dagger.

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If that were a real grouping

, that could not happen. But original, that is another matter. Yes they are original.

Very, very impressive, never seen such a wonderful grouping.
I love that SS Honor dagger ( my dream dagger ).
Congrats and thanks for the "view".

Looks to me like one of mvogel´s photographs...
Regards,

This is a NSKK Honour dagger.mvogel´s photographs, who is this?

My mistake, I hadn't noticed that it was an SA Honor dagger and not an SS.
Still, a beautiful blade to say the least.
Any close up view of the maker marked ?
This SA Honor seems 100% original IMO and I don't see anything wrong with it.

Private e.mail sent.

Christopher:

With a black scabbard, this would be an NSKK Honour. But, I thought that these were chained only. You learn something new every day.

Is the scabbard painted or leathered?

John

The scabard is leathered with very fine grained leather.

A world class grouping of the most rare and amazing 3rd reich objects of art.


A grouping that I along with probably most everyone else has ever seen displayed in one photo at a site.

That NSKK Honor dagger is the only one I know of! I'm just gasping Christopher!

...and to show all this to little ole us here..I FOR ONE AM VERY GRATEFUL!

-serge-

Chris, Manfred Vogel used to be a member here who liked to show his daggers with medals and badges grouped together. Daggers were good, the other pieces sometimes not so good..

Me,,I'd rather have your red enameled Coburg!

Yes Yes, red enamelled Coburg, very rare.

Nolan

The names Farlow/Kenton/Fisher/Beadle et al and a certain jeweller spring to mind.!!!

Seiler (Yank in UK)

Would that be Eddie Kenton and Chris Farlow of Islington fame in the seventies? Mike and Badger Ross were by the tube station at that time who were good friends and good guys in my opinion but didnt deal in TR

"Eddie Kenton and Chris Farlow of Islington", real blast from the past.

Rogues gallery..highly imaginative birds of a feather with a few others thrown in for good measure.If my employers at Grosvenor Square knew
what I witnessed many mornings I would have been
out of there post haste....
Seiler (Yank in UK)

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Originally posted by Christopher J Ailsby:
"Eddie Kenton and Chris Farlow of Islington", real blast from the past.

Hi Chris, do you remember just further up and across the road on Upper street Angel Armoury and Pete Dredge? He was around at the same time as Chris Farlow, I had a few good dealings with him (Dredge) then he sold me a put together 'Bavarian Palace Guards Picklehaube' and wouldn't take it back, also another London rogue from back then Geoffrey George Warner?
I still have a price list from Farlow's 'Call to Arms' circa 73.

Nolan

Last year, there was a great debate raging here on GDC about whether the NSKK Honor was real or not.

I have found reference to an NSKK Ehrendolch in the Eickhorn catalog, no pictures, but referring to the fact that it, like the SA Ehrendolch, cannot be purchased, but is awarded by the RZM.

Can we see pictures of the blade, Christopher?

John

BTT, I think this is a great grouping with some very rare items that's worth another look.

Also good to give the Islington Mafia of the 70s another airing makes me smile when I think of "Fatty" Farlow sing "Out of Time"

A bit of background information would be helpful here for those of us unfamiliar with the "Bent" British 3rd Reich trade during that period.
Jim

All the gentlemen mentioned here plus one Tony Oliver in Egham were the Jim Attwoods of Britain I only visited periodically from deepest Gloucestershire a hundred miles away believe Seiler from a previous post had a good handle on the extent of their activities lets say they were often economical with the truth I wouldn't use your word Jim for fear of commiting Slander
On Lower Street Islington about 400 yards from Regimentals was a small surplus clothes shop called Shermans I think and the number of US ARmy WWII tankers paras and M41 and m43 jackets etc we got from him ran into the hundreds just wish I had kept a few hindsight is a great leveller

I think you actually mean libel since the statement is in writing. This subject has come up before and,from what I know, a crooked dealers usual defense, is to threaten someone who knows of their activities with a lawsuit for defamation.
I am NOT a lawyer but in reading about defamation below it certainly seems to me that the TRUTH is an absolute defense in a libel lawsuit.
Jim



Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as a corporation. Libel is any Defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.

Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.

To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication.

To prove that the material was defamatory, the plaintiff must show that at least one other person who saw or heard it understood it as having defamatory meaning. It is necessary to show not that all who heard or read the statement understood it to be defamatory, but only that one person other than the plaintiff did so. Therefore, even if the defendant contends that the communication was a joke, if one person other than the plaintiff took it seriously, the communication is considered defamatory.

Defamatory matter is published when it is communicated to someone other than the plaintiff. This can be done in several different ways. The defendant might loudly accuse the plaintiff of something in a public place where others are present, or make defamatory statements about the plaintiff in a newsletter or an on-line bulletin board. The defamation need not be printed or distributed. However, if the defendant does not intend it to be conveyed to anyone other than the plaintiff, and conveys it in a manner that ordinarily would prevent others from seeing or hearing it, the requirement of publication has not been satisfied even if a third party inadvertently overhears or witnesses the communication.

Liability for republication of a defamatory statement is the same as for original publication, provided that the defendant had knowledge of the contents of the statement. Thus, newspapers, magazines, and broadcasters are liable for republication of libel or slander because they have editorial control over their communications. On the other hand, bookstores, libraries, and other distributors of material are liable for republication only if they know, or had reason to know, that the statement is defamatory. Common carriers such as telephone companies are not liable for defamatory material that they convey, even if they know that it is defamatory, unless they know, or have reason to know, that the sender does not have a privilege to communicate the material. Suppliers of communications equipment are never liable for defamatory material that is transmitted through the equipment they provide.

In general, there are four defenses to libel or slander: truth, consent, accident, and privilege. The fact that the allegedly defamatory communication is essentially true is usually an absolute defense; the defendant need not verify every detail of the communication, as long as its substance can be established. If the plaintiff consented to publication of the defamatory material, recovery is barred. Accidental publication of a defamatory statement does not constitute publication. Privilege confers Immunity on a small number of defendants who are directly involved in the furtherance of the public's business—for example, attorneys, judges, jurors, and witnesses whose statements are protected on public policy grounds.

Heh Jim thanks for the law lesson but I will stick to underwater engineering
Stay cool man Tony

Can you post additional photos of the dagger?