Hello,

Rural & Municipal bayonet.
Same number on crossguard & behind the scabbard upper fitting.
I think 1 grip insignia isn't correct.
Why 2 different knot?
Opinion please?

Thanks.

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Are the leather frog correct?
What's the traduction of the crossguard inscription?

Thanks a lot.
JC

The municipal police bayonet is for the Schutzpolizei of Hannover. It has an incorrect Heer Portepee instead of the proper Polizei Portepee that is on the other bayonet.

The rural police bayonet is marked for the Landjägerei of Stettin. It has a replaced grip eagle. Both frogs are OK for these bayonets although the black one is a bit late.

Thanks a lot for this answer.

JC

Another question:

The same grip insignia of my rural bayonet is pictured on Johnson vol IV "Collecting the EP of the 3rd Reich" book page 232 on a police bayonet too. Is it a perior replaced insignia or a post war add.

Thanks.

JC,

Very nicely conditioned bayonets. I've seen the grip emblem on your rural piece before but the period the solid emblems was used is later than the production of this bayonet. This raises the question of whether it was replaced in the 3R or not, something we may never know. Can you see if it is glued into the stag grip or not? Is there any looseness in it as there may be in your municipal bayonet?

An interesting observation of your rural piece, the rivets are of different color. Does the lower rivet look smaller than the upper one? Although the reverse rivets look pretty similar, the lower rivet seems smaller & has a flattened head where the top one doesn't.

I have a couple of late production bayonets that have such emblems & as you point out, they do appear in several references. Some will say there are plenty of references that contain pieces of questionable authenticity but to the heart of the matter, IMO some of these emblems were made in the later 3R.

The insignia seems to be not glued.
Any trace of glue.
I'll do close up of the insignia tomorrow with good day light.

Thanks again.

A good closeup of the insigna would be helpful. The insignia looks like a civil clothing lapel badge to me from what I can see. As Billy says, the solid bayonet badges are typically not round like this one and are later than this bayonet. Look closely at the bottom of the badge under the swastika and see if it appears that there was something cut off the bottom of the badge.

You're nor good.....but very good
Yes I see now that the insignia is cut at the bottom. It was for sure the same insignia that's on Johnson book, but the date 1942 is cut. I'll do good photo tomorrow.
I'll try to find an original Polizei grip insignia now.

Thanks again.

JC

Photos of the cutted grip insignia.

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I think Orpo has the identity of this grip emblem, a 1942 Tag der Polizei pin. Looks like the date part was clipped off & the whole badge pressed onto something round so that it would fit the grip. These badges had a flat horozontal pin on the reverse, I wonder how this one is affixed to the grip?

Glad that I could help.