Hi Everyone,

I figured it was a good time to discuss the Air Force dirk so I will kick it off.

Here are several pics of the Air Force dirks in my collection. One is marker marked “Eickhorn” and it has an etched blade. The other dirk in not maker marked and it has a plain blade. Based on the variations I have observed or owned, I speculate there are possibly 3 or 4 manufactures and/or parts suppliers for these dirks. I have seen Eickhorn, Horster and Holler as German manufactures. Pieces made by these firms always seem to have an etched blade. I believe the non etched blade versions were possibly produced in both Germany and Bulgaria. There appears to be more variations in these pieces than other Bulgarian daggers. I will post more comparison pics and share my thoughts about these variations as the discussion moves along.


Gary

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Garry ,
Thank you that you start discussion of one of most rare beautiful Bulgarian daggers.
Congratulations for you amazing collection of Bulgarian Air force daggers.
As far as I know there are three kinds of daggers – two made in Germany and one was made late war in Bulgaria – the daggers was aluminium moulding - aluminium was collected from take down Bulgarian planes.
Engrave blades daggers are officers ,plane blades air noncommissioned officers

On the blade is engrave the monogram of king Boris III

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Pesho,

Beautiful looking daggers! I especially like that set of early hangers that you have. Here's another set of hangers that I once owned.

I have heard about the aluminum version but have never seen one. It must be a very rare piece being it was produced late war.

I have also heard there are reproductions of these daggers but I have never been able to substantiate it. Do you have any information or pictures of reproduction pieces that you can share with us?

Gary

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Hi Gary,
Beautiful daggers!Congratulations.
I haven’ t aluminum dagger. Before 3-4 years, I had possibility to buy an aluminum dagger, but I decided that the dagger looks ugly / compares with other daggers really looks ugly.
Now I regret for this, but is too late.
Except for the engraved blade all other parts are well made and very close to the originals.
Now on Ebay you can find one example Item num
ber: 280211421801
I can’t tell that is this dagger is fake or not but I ‘ll mention some details for which you should pay attention .
1.- the quality – you can compare with your daggers and I do hope that you will see the difference.
2.- My grips are made from some plastic material – I think yours too.
3.- The seller maintains that the dagger belongs to officer – capitan Metodi Alexandrov – than the blade should be engrave.
4.-There is a differences between the crossguards of officers and non –commissioned officers daggers:
The figure on the center of the propeller is symbol of the airplane motor .
Early officer dirk has silver figure, late silver plated figure.
Non officer dagger has bronze figure only.

Pesho, thank you for the information. For clarification, are you stating that an “NCO dirk” can not have a silver propeller and that this feature was only used on the officers model? The reason that I ask is: if someone was reproducing NCO dirks, why would they go through and add a detail (silver propeller) that would be incorrect for that model. It would seem to me that they could leave this detail off and make a more realistic (and cheaper) reproduction if that was their intent.

Persho, regarding ebay item # 280211421801. I have looked at that piece on several occasions and I don’t know what to make of it. The fact that it does not have glass eyes is of great concern to me. I’ve seen them with the eyes missing but never like as shown on this piece. Also the plain blade on this piece is substantially different than other plain blades found on Air Force dirks. This blade has sharply ground ridge lines as compared to the more rounded ones that I seen. However, I can see grind lines on that blade so who knows what has happened to it. Also, as you stated, I would think that it would have an etched blade unless that was an option. Please take a look at ebay auction # 220218214025 as a comparison and give us your opinion on that one.

There seems to be many differences in details with these dirks and it is very difficult to determine what might be an acceptable variation. As an example, lets look at scabbard details. One version, which I suspect was an early model, has a leather covered scabbard. What I believe is a later version, has a type of material covering that is unknown to me. However, you can clearly see the weave in the material so it’s not leather. The 3rd version is the shiny black painted scabbard found ( to the best of my knowledge) only on the officer’s dirk but maybe not. Another point worth mentioning are the differences in the end of the scabbard fitting. Some examples show a ball (sometimes silver) that is a separate piece being held by the eagle’s claw. Others examples appear as though this detail is a fixed part of the casting. Maybe it was an option or a particular manufactures trait. Who can say for sure? Your thought please.

Gary

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Here is the aluminum model.

After I repaint this it should look beautiful

Jim

Note the blade on this is the standard double fullered blade. Like the best AF daggers

The grip has good detail also. Note the eyes. They look better in person.

Also, I assume the hanger rings are replacements.

Here is my presentation dagger. Untouched. This is the way it came from the factory. No touching up the gold nor paint, Gary.

Jim

A second shot. I will need more photos of this plus my home grown model (NCO's) that also has the etched blade.

Jim

Jim, that is a beautiful looking officer's dirk and hangers! Congratulations on such a nice find. I've attached a quick pic of my officer's dirk. Other than a few chips in the scabbard paint, it's in near mint and untouched condition. I consider it to be one of the best looking daggers in my collection.

That aluminum example is so unique and I actually like the way it looks. It does bring up a few questions. Who would have been issued these pieces if an officer's dirk was suppose to have an etch blade and silver propeller which is unlike the NCO version? Would it have been ok for both an officer and NCO to carry an aluminum version? If so, does that mean the variations we see in these dirks is partially due to personal taste, budget, year of manufacture, etc.? Maybe someone out their has some information that will help answer these questions.

Gary

Hi Jim,
Congratulation for your amazing collection of Bulgarian air force daggers.

Cary,
The officers dirk has silver propeller only and some thing more - you can see from the photo there is other different – officers dagger has 8 cylinders and NCO 7 only.
Book text early officer, model should has the following particularity:
Eyes are made by ruby, the hilt is gold plated , silver figure on the propeller ,engrave blade, scabbard covered by leather and a ball made of kind of porcelain held by the eagle’s claw.
Late officers model has :
Glass eyes, bronze hilt , silver plated figure on the propeller , plane blade, painted scabbard and a bronze ball held by the eagle’s claw.
As I told you before except for the engraved blade all other parts are well made and very close to the originals.
Regarding item 220218214025 I can’t say much without better and close up pictures but when I see officer daggers with plane blade this is red flag.

Gary, that is a beautiful dagger. I was only "busting your balls", something us Americans do with people we like.

On the aluminum model. It is much smaller than the others. I will take a photo comparing so you can see.

As to the appearance, It was originally painted. There were still traces of royal blue paint near the propellor. So, you can paint this as an officers, or as an NCO. Although I am not sure I buy off on the spit of Solingen officers and home created as NCO's. More than likely the Eickhorns were awarded and the others for wear.