Hallo collectors,
i become this daggers some years ago from private.
The dagger were verry cheap and i bought it. But now i´m not shure is this dagger ok or a fake? Tomorrow if the sune come i can bring better pictures.
Best regards
Oliver

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the blade have fine crosscraining, only the name "Ernst Röhm" was removed with a venal.

To me it looks like an original. You should show where the name is ground off. Also how far is the makermark from the crossguard ?

thank you for your answer, i´´m happy :-)

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Hello, I canno't agree. I have my own partial Röhm dagger from E.P.&S. And it is mile away from this piece. Logo distance is good, but designe is poor and inscription looks also bad to me. If I'll find pictures of mine, I will post them. Best, Lukas.

Here it is. Not the best, but I hope it will help you.

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Hi Oliver, while the hilt on yours looks typical of a Pack, I can't say I like the blade. The inscription looks off, the motto is not the typical Pack style which is quite distinctive, and the maker mark is also not what I'd expect to see, although there are collectors that are quite happy with this version.

Have you checked for any tang markings and forge marks on the inside of the crossguards? If it hasn't been taken down already, rather laeve it be...

Red

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rather laeve it be...

i hear it give two inscription from Pack...
Today i bring better pictures.

Agree with Redbaron. Just look at the motto. This is not a good one. Looks like Czech or Poland made.

Best, Lukas.

here some more pics. The grip doesn´t go from the tang,
i think he is rustet / corrosion. He sit hard on the tang and move only 2mm up... In the upper crossguard is a "S" ? in a horseshoe? as a sign...
I spray corrosion-solver and hope tomorrow go it better... The picture with the table are iron-corrosion where come out of the grip....

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Oliver, the crossgaurd is correct for a Pack dagger, likewise the characteristics of the hilt. This dagger has obviously been together for a long time, but I still have to say the motto, maker mark and inscription don't look right to me. It is for this very reason that many collectors avoid Pack Rohms... Where's Wags and Gailen? would love to get their opinions on this one...

Red

Again look at this motto and compare it with yours. I've seen these fake inscriptions here in Czech manytimes.

L.

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Originally posted by Redbaron:
Oliver, the crossgaurd is correct for a Pack dagger, likewise the characteristics of the hilt. This dagger has obviously been together for a long time, but I still have to say the motto, maker mark and inscription don't look right to me. It is for this very reason that many collectors avoid Pack Rohms... Where's Wags and Gailen? would love to get their opinions on this one...

Red

IMO Red and Luco are correct.
As mentioned already an e-pack Rohm dedication are unique to e-pack. As are other features on the dagger. I'll leave the motto alone and the makers logo, both as with Red, I don't like. But the actual dedication is not a epack that I have seen.
The fine crossgraining has been removed and a sanding type pattern seen on fakes placed to look like period crossgraining - it's not.
Unless Gailen says he seen one like this which I doubt, this one is a fake. My guess it is a Czech Ground Hump-up. -Sorry -

Don't be concerned about the tang markings. If it's Czech blade it will have the billet clamp marks because they make the blades on period equipment from what I heard. They will also have raised letters on the tangs.
Rust falling out the grip cavity...on that blade?! Now that's easy to do, along with rusting the tang.


-serge-

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Luko,

do you have a close-up of the trademark?

Thx,
Gerd

Hello Gerd, here it is.

Thx for the pic

Gerd