Is the inscription period or post war? All comments and opinions are welcomed. My apologies on the picture quality.

100% FAKE, not even close and we don't even need to see the rest of the inscription or maker marked.

Pat,

As you are probably aware, I am still a novice guy but have seen a few Full Roehms. The "R" is perhaps the most obvious to me as being so far out of line that it borders on ridiculous.

Does it still surprise you that the guys who market these daggers are so far off? (Not referring to 777)

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Originally posted by FullRohmOwner:
Pat,

As you are probably aware, I am still a novice guy but have seen a few Full Roehms. The "R" is perhaps the most obvious to me as being so far out of line that it borders on ridiculous.

Does it still surprise you that the guys who market these daggers are so far off? (Not referring to 777)

You're not such a novice as you are 100% correct on your analysis.
The letter "R" was indeed the big "give away".

Before I accuse a well-respected dealer of deliberate fraud and who knows better, Heres another pic of the R. as I'm learning also. Thanks guys.

#2

I don't know who's the reputable dealer but it is still FAKE.
The letter "R" is the most obvious flaw but there are many others.
Most of the letters in the inscription do not match with known originals.
Unless this particular maker had a different and unique template, I do not like the inscription.
However, I'm no expert and would appreciate other people comments, especially from Gailen who's the most knowledgeable person for these types of blades.

I'll give you another clue, the dot on the letter "i" is much too high. All of the known originals have the dot much lower than the letter "L" besides it.

Dieter, private e.mail sent.

Fellas, I'm fairly new to the collecting world and would like to know who the reputable dealer is. I understand the hesitation. I doubt they would see it this way but one bad piece does not ruin a dealers rep or site.This is something that I rely on this site for.

Kriegsman.

I know who the dealer is but he final decision belongs to the buyer of the Rohm dagger.
I'm also the only person so far that has claimed the inscription to be faked.
I have asked Dieter to get a second and third opinion.
Yes, everyone is allowed to make mistakes but this dealer should know better as he is considered to be among the top 5 in the world.
The sad news is that it ain't the first time that he sells a fake Rohm.
He had to refund one of our GDC member last year for a similar situation about a Rohm dagger.

We see this more and more (here in Europe): identified fake "full" Röhm's that get a second life as a "partial" Röhm, because collectors tend to be less suspicious when a part of the inscription was crudely removed...
And the fakers are happy with the premium for the "partial" fake inscription: about a 1000 $! Not bad for some acid...

Best greetings,

Herman

Pat's right! That incription is not even close.
Here is one from an Eickhorn.

-serge-

Pat, is there really a difference regarding the position of the dot of the letter i?

If I compare the dagger in question with Wagner´s and mine, I do not see a major difference. Or do I miss something here?

Or maybe mine is also a fake? I got it also from one of the most respected dealers

I did compare the placement of the script with a known original Boker as seen on page 3 of forum posts by myself. placement seems correct.

Perhaps I heve to clean my glasses but I don`t se any differences.
Witch R do you mean the first or the second one
in the word Herzlicher.
What do you mean by the r is uot off line

It is actually not the letter "R" but rather the letter "F" that I should be referring too in the word Freundschaft.
It is a bit confusing since the capital "F" letter in the word Freundschaft looks more like than "R".


Concerning the dot on the "i", it may just be the picture but it should be the same hight as the top of the letter "L" on its left side.

Just compare Wagner Rohm inscription to the one Dieter has, it does not even compare.

I honestly think that this SA was once an original full Rohm that has been erased and then redone post-war. The reason I'm saying this is simply because the maker marked seems to be at the right position for an authentic Rohm dagger.

But there is NO word "Freundschaft" (friendship)in this motto, Pat There is a word "Kameradschaft" (comradeship), so the first letter doesn't need to look like "F". It does however look like capital "K" in some retro handwriting stiles.
What I don't like is thickness of the letters...

As you can see, my German translation is trully pathetic and you are correct, the word should read "Kameradschaft"............after I looked at Wittmann's SS book.
So, it is the "K" that is wrong.

Any developments on the authenticity issue ?

The best I can do is post more pics, What I will do is exercise its guarantee till the next Max show and let the experts decide then. Shipping it for an opinion is a risk, of loss or damage that I don't need at this time. Thank you for your time and comments.

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Good luck Scott !

Dieter,
Johnny V. and myself will be set up across from Tom Wittmann at the MAX. Please stop by.

-serge-

I did attend the last show in Pittsburgh, with my wife and son. Met Dave Hohaus at Wittmans table and had Craig Gottlieb bless my membership pin at the pub.