I know there has been a lot of discussion in the past about Pack TM's and how this or that one was bad etc and that made a Rohm dagger bad or good etc. Well a friend of mine had about 15 rag Packs around. We talked about this and he related that a lot of these old rag Packs (all original) had a lot of TM's and that they were NOT ALL in the same location on the blade. So--I recently got a new camera and we tried it out. These are big blow ups and not the best but you can clearly see a lot of differences --just in these. So--You might think twice and take a look if you think your Rohm is bad just because of the TM. Enjoy. If you have a good printer and can print these out you could make a lot of comparisons.
So--this is an example IMO of how sometimes some misinformation can cause a lot of grief. Just imagine if you had a full Rohm that you dumped because someone said this or that about the TM--and then you find a plain one with the same TM. Probably has already happened. Why all the TM's? Who knows? Maybe the templates wore out a lot sooner than previously thought.

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Thank you Houston I appreciate all of the work you have gone to, to provide such detailed photos of the various Pack trademarks. In comparison however, it still begs for me the question; what, if anything, is there about the maker's mark on a reproduction that we can/should be looking for? ~ Ian

This is just a small sample taken from only about 15 daggers selected at random. So--I think the real answer is that collectors are going to have to look at the edged weapon as a whole-not just at one thing--and that IMO is what one always should do. Just one thing is often IMO inconclusive.

The Pack TM has been in flux for years. They didn't use a type for a certain length of time and used several different ones during the same time frame. You can really see this in the early HJ Knives and engraved bayonets and I have argued this with Wayne Techt on the different patterns from Pack in engraved bayonets.
This stated, the biggest threat concerning Pack repros is from the Reddick blades being used in period fittings (you know-bad blade in good fittings-replace the blade with a Reddick and increse the profits). The best thing to do to protect yourself is to study known Reddick repro blades-they have certain traits that give them away. This will help you with the bad Packs and will stop this trying to attribute certain characteristics to Pack trademarks to determine originality.
JMO,
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

I've been under the impression that a spot for a fake will show the hammer open and/or a line under the right knee. I don't know how much truth there is in this but not one of the authentic examples shown above display these traits... that is of course, also putting aside the question of the size of the "&", compared to the rest of the letters in the makers mark that has been discussed many times before.

I agree with Houston's comment above 100%

Maybe we could add some "Reddick" maker marks to the thread to show comparisons and differences to the above?

Also remember that the time a blade is left in the etching acid can make minor detail look different. This seem to be noticed on Pack but is found slsewher too. If you look at minor detail of Eickhorn SA/SS trademarks you see the same small variation like the deinition of the squirrel's eye.

Dave

I agree with SDP. Can we see some pictures of fack markers to compare and learn from.

Good info here.

I think this thread is worth saving

Second that.Most valuable for ALL!
Seiler (yank in uk)

Can someone show a good clear pic of the Reddick blade marking so we can see the differences?

Regards

Russ

Hi Dave

Could you show us the red flags on Reddick blades?

Regards Jan

Well rescued Jonathan.Moderators can we please pin this very useful thread to prevent its eventual disappearance another one that needs pinning in my opinion is Neal Jackson thread on SS dagger makers in the SS forum.Perhaps pinned threads could be put in a separate Reference Forum

I don't have a Reddick blade so I cannot post pictures or help out on this topic.

I can say that in my opinion, EP&S SA trademarks show variations in both positioning and detail that can be confusing.

AJ - pining a thread does not "save" it. All depends on the initial post date.

Dave

Thanks for the heads up on that Dave guess its time to start a long trawl thru GDC and back up any threads I want to keep on paper /disc
Guys you have been warned these gems wont be here for ever

here's one that sold on ebay not to long ago. I believe a member bought this for a book on repo's

And here's the tang.