I ran across this one. It is advertised as a bagged eickhorn with no mentions of being a full rohm. But I was sad when I looked at the trademark and inscription. Scary they are being made with bags.

so is it just the bag and inscription that is bad or the whole thing ? I know we have been seeing a lot of bags pop up all of a sudden.

I can't take much more of this.

the dagger looks fine

the whole thing is bad. I got the same story we all got the cosigners husband brought it back from the war. The eickhorn trademark is 1 inch from the cross guard. Should be 1/4 inch. Oh well someone at the upcoming auction will have a unpleasant surprise.

So I'm outta the loop here as always!! where is this for sale at? And also I must miss alot where are these at???
"I know we have been seeing a lot of bags pop up all of a sudden."
I'm always game to check out bags or the like. I must need to get out more
Bret Van Sant

After the auction is over ill post where it was. There is other things there I would like to get that came from other cosigners. I will post it in June.

Well dont bother with it then I was not lookin to get the drop on a item over you just wondered where it was being offered. thanks though. Bret Van Sant

the dagger looks fine nothing wrong with it
apart from inscription???

Mananero,

That early large Eickhorn trademark is correctly placed. It the small one that is close to the crossguard.

Dave

Other "tail"

HHHHmmmmm I was told by a well known dealer that the trademark has to be 1/4 inch from the cross guard on a rohm. My ground rohm wingen is less than a 1/4 of a inch from the cross guard.

I'm with you mananero on that.I also though the M/M was to be close to the crossguard.May be Dave should clarify his post.Is he saying the m/m is correct for a Eickhorn ???
Just looked at the post again .I think Dave is saying the small mark is for the Rohm.Which means the Rohm is not a Rohm.

the dagger is a genuine early large logo eickhorn sa that appears to have a fake rohm etch

I am saying that IMO both the SA and SS daggers were made with both the large trademark as pictured above and the much smaller "small double oval" trademarks we are more used to.

I believe (no proof) that the large ones are the first ones and they are not that common.

To answer another question: The earlier large SA/SS dagger is found with and without the Rohm dedication. The small trademark is found only on Rohm dedication SA/SS and SS Himmler daggers.

Dave

quote:

I'm always game to check out bags or the like. I must need to get out more
Bret Van Sant

I'am not saying there good or bad but there were 3 listed over on germanmilitarycollectables.com

Man...these are starting to pop out everywhere.

-serge-

so is the inscription good?

From what I was told from the big dealer was that the dagger itself was probably good but the bag and inscription are not good. It is a shame since it was a nice dagger to begin with. I would have been very proud to put it with my other bagged examples. Since the auction house put a auction value of 200 to 400 on it. Oh well. If you guys want more pics I can get more. I am going tomorrow to talk to the auctioneer and a few other things.

The only ohe of these bags that I ever felt good about was on a Himmler SS that Dr. Distlehorst had back in the 1970s in his collecting days.
Mint and with a bag in about this condition with the stamped notation of inscription, it is probably the only one known to be original at the time and may be the source for copying for this SA bags we see today.
This being said, without seeing the piece in hand I would not say it is good or bad. Features do look OK to me, but would still have to see in person IMO.
Ron Weinand

Now this is interesting. I was at the auction house yesterday that has the bagged rohm. They had a good number of people coming in and inspecting it. There is a number of phone bids too. I was digging around since there is no auctions locally for me to buy things at. I contacted soldusa about some old federal hi powered shotgun shells I bought for consignment. I decided to look at their catalog. Interesting they have a full rohm for sale too.

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-...category=0&zip=&kwd=

Now what is the chance of having two full eickhorn rohm being sold in the same week. Both look the same. INTERESTING. Usually when the first wave of repros come out nobody knows anything.

Sorry you have to dig a while to find it. But here it is with just the window pics

http://www.auctionzip.com/Full-Image/606991/fp771.cgi

quote:

Originally posted by mananero:
Now this is interesting. I decided to look at their catalog. Interesting they have a full rohm for sale too.

http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-...category=0&zip=&kwd=

Now what is the chance of having two full eickhorn rohm being sold in the same week. Both look the same. INTERESTING. Usually when the first wave of repros come out nobody knows anything.

Yes as Arte Johnson used to say: "Veeerrryyy Interesting".
Also Interesting that Sold USA had one, a Rohm just like this Three months ago. I think it sold for around $2,000. Do you think someone got a DEAL?
Are you sure you want your Full Rohm's name to look like this?


Yes, why are there so many full Rohm's at the auction sites? With so many variations? Now with
BAGS..but wait that dagger looks like it was worn but hey...it's got a BAG!
If you ever find a dagger with a bag they should look like the two examples like "wotan" shows.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...=597100751#597100751

You want a full Rohm get one from the same place "AA" got his E-Pack. I'll bet you it didn't come from an auction house.

-serge-

The small trademark Rohm directly above is NOT correct in my opinion. Trademark way too far away.

Dave

But they draw the newbies and dreamers all the time.

Does anyone for one minute think that these auction house don't know what they have? These guys do reseach! I just had one from back in your parts Dave call asking me questions.
You think your going to get a nice Full Rohm SA from these guys for under $2,500? Oh I know the "Vet Widow" stories. Well if you bid I'll bet you you can get a lot of these for $2,500...just one little problem...they are fake.
I concur with Dave. That a fake wrongly placed Eickhorn motto. Plus a Fake dedication. But that's JMO.

I think you guys better wait for Gailen, Red, or Pat to come in here...or perhaps they won't be here because it is real and they will be bidding on it ...along with ME!

Here's what Dave means regarding the Eickhorn motto placement.

-serge-

Correct !

Dave

the rohm in question is also benchmarked with a "3" Would someone go that far to be convincing maybe, but most collectors dont even know about the benchmark numbers.I also believe a hand inspection will tell the story. But for now im giving a thumbs up on the dagger, I'd like to here gailen's opinion

also the grip is fit perfect to the crossguards and seems to be no wear on the grip as you would expect on a bagged example nice early nickel lower fitting with no wear,

roy it is in your backyard. About a hour from york. Actually if I went to york I would drive past it.

I don't think there's any doubt that the dagger itself is a beautiful early Eickhorn, everything about it looks right to me, the grip shape, eagle, crossguards and scabbard throat, right down to the benchmark.

I agree with most other folks here, a hands-on is needed mostly to see if the motto, maker mark and inscription share the same etch characteristics and edge detail. The inscription and maker mark look good to me, and as reluctant as I am to say so, there are just so many of these rare daggers appearing lately, it can only make one nervous. This one looks cautiously good from these pics, but I wouldn't spring for it unless I had a good look at it...

Where's Gailen???

Red