Hey Guys,

Thought i`d just share my enjoyment with all of you!
I was surfing the Eban site a couple of weeks ago when I was lucky enough to come across a listing with a "buy it now" offer, on a SA dagger! The price was way below what they usually sell for, so I grabbed it
When it arrived 2 weeks later, which was on Monday, I took it to a very good friend of mine to show it to him. Low and behold , he pointed out to me that I had just purchased a ground Röhm dagger with the large size early Eickhorn TM!!!! Well, you can imagine, what the look on my face was all about!Something similar to the purple smily at the top!
Unfortunately though, all is not good, as the previous owner buffed the whole dagger, including the anodised scabbard! Looks like the SA rondel may have fallen out and was replaced, but upside down! None the less, a nice piece at an extremely great price!
I`ve included some pics, but they`re not the best. If anybody does want a better one, please email me, and I`ll try my best.

Comments are very welcome.

Dion

The bench mark

TM which is partially ground. Luckily most of it survived.

The blade, where you can still see the tip of the M in Röhm. I`ve circled it, but one cannot see it to great on the pic.

A much better pic of the grip. Sorry for the first blurred one!!

Hi Dion.
Looks like an early Eickhorn trademark but from the pictures I would say it is not a Ground Rohm as the Eickhorn maker mark appears to be too far up the blade and too big. Rohm daggers had smaller trademarks and were located near to the crossguard so that the Rohm dedication could be fit onto the blade.
Is there any evidence of grinding above the maker mark and does it look as though the ridge of the dagger blade is 'wavy' or uneven to suggest it has been ground.
It is difficult to tell from the pictures.
Perhaps you could add some clearer ones of the blade.
I have attached a picture of a Ground Rohm by Eickhorn that I had.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes.
Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

Hi Ian,Eickhorn also used their large trademark on early Rohms,Regards stan

http://members.lycos.nl/stantheman/

I agree with nats on this.

Cheers,

Hi Ian,

I must agree with Nats and Trigger on this. As you can see, Eickhorn did produce Röhm blades with the big oval. But, besides that, all the indications are, that this is a ground Röhm, due to the fact, and this is only as far as I know, that all, or most presentation pieces were bench marked! To answer your question as well in regards to whether the blade has any wavyness on it, yes it does. In fact, the whole middle portion of the blade is missing its spine, and, one can definately feel a very slight indentation running down the middle of the blade. It was more than likely factory done, as one can hardly see it, but its there! Very difficult to try to picture it, I tried, but could not get the effect desired!? I have though, included another better pic of the TM and as you can quite clearly see, the remenants of the right hand leg of the M in Röhm.

Another better view of that M in Röhm.

I`ve just noticed in the pic above, that the wavy indentation has actually come out on that pic, and one can quite clearly see it.

Dion

Hi Dion.

Yes I fully agree with what you say now.
I have not seen the large Eickhorn mark that far up the blade but I am still learning
The grip is a nice Blonde.

Best wishes.
Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

Hi Ian,

Do you think it is a blonde? I was wondering the same, just was`nt sure though
Would certainly be great if it was!!!
Maybe I could get some comments on that

Dion

It appears yto be 1/4 sawn oak. This is a very expensive and wasteful way to make grips but the result is beautiful wood grain. This process was dispensed with soon after production started in favour of more production.This sure looks blonde to me. A nice and desirable piece. This is the earliest of Eickhorn trade marks.
Beauty, I'm happy for you sir.

Paul my friend I'm going to have to disagree. The grain on that grip is far too "closed" to be oak. In my opinion you're looking at a very nice grip made of either sycamore or Eurpoean cherry. The "quarter sawing" you're seeing are actually flecks in the grain that are quite common in these two species.
Jim
Here's a closeup example of a piece of unfinished quarter sawn oak:

Jim I don't understand the term "closed"?
Does that mean the age syrations are close together?

Paul:
In a general sense wood can be classified two ways as having either an open or closed grain. The two most common woods with open grains are Oak and Walnut. Most fruit woods such as Cherry,Pear etc. have a closed grain. If you look closely at the oak example I pictured the vertical "figure" actually consists of small open gaps which are missing in the closed grain varieties. The primary difference from a woodworkers viewpoint is open grained woods need to be leveled and these gaps filled with a paste wood filler if you ever expect to get a smooth finish. This is not required with closed grain examples.
I could show you this much easier in person so if you decide to play "Canadian Snowbird" this Winter and want to get away for a few days in Arizona let me know.
N.B: If my fellow woodworking pal Bill Warda would care to add anything here please feel free to do so.
Jim

Thanks Jim I appreciate your willingness to educate. Althought I've heard the term "open" and "closed" grain before I'm not sure I totally follow...
I would love to chat in person. Thanks for the invite. From what I hear there are nearly as many Canucks in Arizona in winter as Americans!

I want to agree with those above who said that Eickhorn used the large trademark for their Rohm dedication daggers. I fell but cannot prove that this was the first version, with the smaller version being second. I'll also observe that the large trademark ones are much harder to find.

Dave

Sorry Dave, but the first version of the Rohm Eickhorn Dagger was the one with the early variant motto in my opinion.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Paul:
Another way of looking at this is wood, as we know, is porous. If it wasn't any finish applied would just sit on the surface rather than being absorbed. Open grained wood such as Oak has noticably larger pores than the closed grained examples.
Eh: Scottsdale does in fact become a pseudo Canadian Province during the Winters months. When we first moved here we leased a condo until we could find a permanent home. I'd guess over half the resident/owners in this condominium complex were Canadian.
Jim

What is particularly interesting about this blade is the position of the motto. The motto position on Eickhorn Rohms is usually further down the blade as seen on the small logo version, this one is in the conventional position close to the crossguard, same as a standard SA...

Could you post a pic of the motto please Dion

Red

Ron I concurr. I have an early motto variant with this trade mark. It will be in Tom's upcoming book. From that we know this trade mark was the 1st.

PS: Jim you're saying, "eh" already!
Just need to get you being obnoxiously polite and wearing plaid fleece shirts and you will be 1/2 way to citizenship!