Gentlemen,

I got some uniform-pieces direct out of the woodwork. I'm not very familiar with the uniforms of the NSDAP and the SA. So I thought to post it here.

I hope, that other collectors could help me with my asks to this nice and for my opinion untouched pieces.

Kolibri

This is a brownshirt. Is it NSDAP or SA? What rank? why is the piping blue? Why are there no shoulderstraps?

The hooks for the belt are missing. What colour would be correct for them? Silver or gold? (The buttons are silver).

Here is a foto of a Chevron (?). For what was it?

Here is the foto of the collar tabs. What was the duty of a man like this?

Another tunic out of the same family. Why has it no shoulderstraps? How does the missing correct armband for this tunic look? What does the white piping mean? What belt would be the correct one?

Here is a foto of the collar tabs.

A lot of asks. I hope it's not too much.

And a last one: what kind of belt was worn with the brownshirt I posted at first?

Regards

Kolibri

THE BROWNSHIRT IS FOR AN ORTSGRUPPEN POLITICAL LEADER. THE COLLAR TABS REFLECT THE RANK OF BLOCKLEITER. THE TABS ARE THE TYPE WORN ON TH4E 1936 PATTERN UNIFORM UP UNTIL THE MID 1939 INTRODUCTION OF THE FINAL PATTERN INSIGNIA. THE CHEVRON IS A SA ALTERKAMPFER WINKEL, THAT WAS REPLACED BY CUFF LITZEN ON SA UNIFORMS IN 1934. THE WEAR AND LOCATION OF THIS INSIGNIA ON THIS SHIRT IS NON REGULATION FOR A POLITICAL LEADER.
THE TUNIC IS THE FOURTH PATTERN, 1939 INSIGNIA. THE COLLAR TABS REFLECT THE PAY GRADE OF HAUPTGEMEINSCHAFTLEITER. THE MISSING ARMBAND WOULD REFLECT THE POSITION HELD BY THE WEARER. YOU SHOULD FIND OUT IF THE FAMILY REMOVED THE ARMBAND BUT KEPT IT.
VERY NICE SET OF UNIFORMS

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Originally posted by Kolibri:
A lot of asks. I hope it's not too much.

And a last one: what kind of belt was worn with the brownshirt I posted at first?

Regards

Kolibri

MOST LIKELY , THE WEARER WOULD HAVE WORN THE STANDARD POLITICAL LEADER BELT AND BUCKLE. HE OOULD ALSO WEAR THE CLAW BUCKLE BELT.

Great find congrats!

Bob,

thanks for your help. Great informations for me. What do you know about the colour of the missing hooks on the brownshirt? Always golden or like the buttons (here in silver)?

Kolibri

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Originally posted by Kolibri:
Bob,

thanks for your help. Great informations for me. What do you know about the colour of the missing hooks on the brownshirt? Always golden or like the buttons (here in silver)?

Kolibri

Hi Kolibri,
I would say , silver hooks in this case

Pascal,

you may be right, but I presume silver was only for NSKK, SA and NSDAP always golden hooks, because all there buckles were goldencoloured.

Regards

Kolibri

I AGREE WITH PASCAL. I HAVE A BROWNSHIRT WITH FIRST PATTERN NSDAP INSIGNIA, SILVER BUTTONS AND HOOKS.
BOB

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Originally posted by Kolibri:
Pascal,

you may be right, but I presume silver was only for NSKK, SA and NSDAP always golden hooks, because all there buckles were goldencoloured.

Regards

Kolibri

Yes after 1939, usualy it's the same color than the buttons and cap insignia.

Interesting..that is the second time i have seen the old fighters winkel in that position on an NSDAP tunic..there must have been a reason, but none you will find in a reference book at present..

I JUST RECALLED THAT AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE HAS A COMPLETE 3RD PATTERN POLITICAL LEADER'S UNIFORM FOR AN ORTSGRUPPEN BLOCKWART THAT INCLUDES VISOR CAP, TUNIC, BREECHES, BOOTS, BELT, MANTEL, SHIRT AND TIE. IT ALL CAME FROM THE SAME VETERAN WHO EVIDENTLY TOOK THEM FROM A CLOSET IN THE MAN'S HOME. BOTH THE TUNIC AND THE MANTEL HAVE THE SA ALTERKAMPFER WINKEL MOUNTED ON THE RIGHT UPPER SLEEVE. EVIDENTLY, AS THERE WAS NO SUCH INSIGNIA AUTHORIZED FOR POLITICAL LEADERS, THE OWNER MOUNTED THIS INIGNIA TO INDICATE HIS EARLY MEMBERSHIP IN THE SA. LIKELY, THE SITUATION WAS THE SAME FOR THE MAN WHO OWNED THIS UNIFORM.

Bob,

yes, may be, you are right with your thoughts. But it seems clear to me now, that the place on the left lower arm is incorrect. The Winkel could be added by the former owner in the time unless other regulations, but also later by somebody. I don't want to remove it for the moment, it would be interesting to see, wether there are different colours of the shirt.

Kolibri