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Hello a Dream from my Collection Cool

Regards Sebastian


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and a officer SS Degen
 
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Sebastian,

Can you sent me a close-up picture of the eagle ?

Send to dave@germandaggers.com

I want to compare with mine. Thanks
Dave


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Hello Dave,

what is whit the Eagle.
what is your Opinion is this Eagle good.
And conform wiht your Eagle.

Send a Picture in my Tread.
The dagger is her wiht not Opinion from the Colectors.

Regards Sebastian


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Sebastian the eagle is fine..don't fret...Dave just wants a close up pic thats all...cheers, Ryan
 
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HD2 and I have exchanged emails. If you know what you are looking at you can see above a slight anomaly in the swaz below the eagle. I think a bit of debris was caught in the machine that stamped the eagles.

I first spotted it on mine. It appears that a box or two of these eagles got by the inspectors and were used by Schuttelhofer.

Nothing wrong with the dagger and the eagle is genuine, but it interesting to spot a trend.

Dave


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The dagger is a fine one.Earyler i have had hold in my hands.
 
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I had a nickel chained SS with an eagle like that too...maybe Schuttlehofer made some of the chained SS daggers.


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John,

Could be. Or, Whoever made that chained SS dagger bought a box of those eagles before the problem got fixed.

I have 3 Schuttelhofer SS daggers and all three have this eagle. Here is the only pic I have and it is not that good.

Does anyone else have a Schuttelhofer and can they show the eagle ?

Thanks,
Dave


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I'll have to take a close up when I get home...

 
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This is the best I have as a stock photo

 
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Here's the close up. Looks like it too, has a fault...

 
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closer


John Merling vintagetime@yahoo.com
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Interesting thread that might lead to new discoveries. So far,

- HD2 has a Schuttelhofer SS with a small fault on the eagle

- I have three Schuttelhofers with the same fault

- John has a chained SS with an eagle with the same fault.

Let's see some more Schuttelhofer SS dagger eagle and you guys with M36's, take a look at yours.

When I get back from MAX, I'll get mine out and photo all three eagles.

Dave


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My Boker

 
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On a Boker ? Wow !

What looks like is that one of the manufacturers of eagles had a machine with a bit of steel caught in the die that stamps out the eagle and that it was not caught for some time. At least two early SS makers and one M1936 maker bought those eagles.

Please look through your SS daggers and check the eagles. We may find enough for a class-action lawsuit Big Grin

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Be careful or the next theory will be that all of these daggers with this fault are fake Wink cheers, Ryan
 
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I owned two of them for years and never noticed the eagles. I got a third one and spotted it and dug up the other two.

The power of the internet at work here. I noticed the one at the top of this thread, then posted a picture and ... voila ... a chained dagger and a Boker appear.

Collusion between manufacturers? Eagle cartel suppressing evidence? Rot-grip conspiracy in Solingen to discredit the SS? Big Grin Stay tuned, but check your eagles.

Dave


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I noticed this imperfection on these eagles several years back when I 1st observed it on 2 early M36 daggers. Have never seen it on a maker marked piece until now.
 
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i don't believe that it was a piece of dirt or metal chip in the machine but alas a broken or chipped die thast was used to punch them out, my company uses punch presses that will have the same anomally when the tooling gets chipped or breaks. The company may have run 500 pieces or so until they realised the problem.


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Looks like they didn't catch the flaw for quite awhile. Here's my M36 which is even worse.

 
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Thanks, Raymond

Anyone else?

Dave


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Any more daggers ?

To me, this 99% proves that maker-marked SS daggers were being made at the same time as the M1936 chained daggers.

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Note that the eagle on all the above photos seems to be the same one, so it was just one maker.

Anybody seen one of these on an SA dagger ?

Dave


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Note that the eagle on all the above photos seems to be the same one, so it was just one maker.

Anybody seen one of these on an SA dagger ?

Dave


I have a ground Rohm Eickhorn SA that has a similar stamping imperfection. Should I post a picture here or in the SA category?
 
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I checked my SA/NSKK daggers and none have this flaw in the eagle.
RevYJ, I would say yes to posting the photos here.
 
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Six years ago i had a Eickhorn SA with simular eagle flaw, I sold it on Ebay thinking it was a repro grip or replaced eagle and thought something like that flaw would have never passed inspection i guess i was wrong. The dagger itself was in poor condition with water marks on the blade, grip had almost no finish left and the scabbard too had little finish. It was a cheap dagger that was fun to just have next to the computer and play around with.

Kinda miss that now.

Unfortunately this is the only few pictures i have left of it.

 
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