Gentlemen,
Never seen this maker on SS Daggers before is it correct ?

HOOPER

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Emil Schrick was certainly a small manufacturer of SA daggers. I for one have never seen an SS dagger by this maker and the logo perfectly matches the one in our Reference gallery. I also expect Dave Hohaus to be banging on your door at any time!
Jim

It's a fake! Send it to me for disposal!

referance gallary SA

Wow-quite a find. I will be interested to hear what Dave and others have to say about this SS.

Fisher's Reference, page 524 list Emil Schrick & Sohn as producing (estimated) 1,000 SA daggers. Very rare.

The mark does look original as compared to the reference gallery photo.

The one in Fisher's book is a bit different (below), but I don't see that as a show stopper at all--as clearly there may have been variations, just as the Eickhorn logo has several variations.



The one in the GDC reference gallery is obviously a standard reference and a good one to compare it to.

This should be an interesting thread.....

Front of the blade looks a little strange. Could be a re-etch.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Ron--do you suspect it was an SA blade that someone re-etched with an SS inscription on the front?

If so, I wonder why someone would go through all that trouble to convert a rare, rare SA maker into an unheard of Schrick & Sohn SS?

Isn't the eagle placed a bit high on the grip for an M33?

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This one has popped up before. I think one of the European guys asked me about it a while ago and one of the US members sent me the same pictures a day ago.

Who is selling it ?

There is not a lot to go on, but here are some thoughts from the photos:

- The mark looks real.

- The front of the blade looks strange and shiny but the back is dull and spotted.

- The eagle looks strange. May just be the picture or maybe it is on of the new pewter repros.

- The crossguards look a little smaller and more rounded than they should, but maybe this is the camera.

The best clue may be in the ad. I was sent a copy. The write-up has this line in it "Has early nickel mounts with dyed brown to black handle (common with this maker)." Common with this maker ? That should give anyone cause to hesitate as that maker is unknown or rare.

I am told that it was priced at 795 pounds. Is that a clue as well ?

Dave

I had to correct my other post I am still half asleep. The fit of the grip at the pommel/crossguards is very odd! There is too much wood overlapping them.
One rare mark a week seems to be surfacing now. Alcoso,Weyersberg and now Schrick % Sohne. Maybe our lottery should be to guess what bogey mark will turn up next?

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The write-up has this line in it "Has early nickel mounts with dyed brown to black handle (common with this maker)." Common with this maker ? That should give anyone cause to hesitate

Dave--that certainly does give one pause. It almost sounds like a "beat you to the punch on criticism" remark for converting an SA into an SS, doesn't it?

I see what you mean about the difference in shine on the front of the blade versus the rear of the blade now. Yes--not much to go on, but the upper crossguard almost looks plated, and the bottom one nickel/silver. But, this could be lighting too.

If this is a former SA dagger, I wonder again, why anyone would ruin a rare SA dagger to do this "conversion" to an SS is beyone me.

Borse: Why would you pick a rare SA maker: Easy answer: You don't have too many examples to compare it with and, as makers go, you would have a very rare SS maker that would demand a premium even in rather poor condition.
It is easier to use a rare SA maker to fake than one commonly seen.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

In other words guys are you saying dont buy!!!!!????????? Regards Hooper

Hooper2,

I think you cracked the code. Change your screen name to "Enigma"

Dave

Ron, hmmmm, that would make sense.

I would send it to dave hohous or one of the bigger dealers like wittman johnson, gailen or shea, I have sceen a lot of talk here but no theory that works behind it, RON how many re-etch's have you sceen? And if someone has that technology y dont we see it more often

I have seen re-etched pieces and would expect that this is what we are looking at here. It has become the new area of fakes in the past year or so and is mainly coming from Europe.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Guys,

This is coming from yet another London dealer, which in my opinion are a bit expensive in the trade. This guy is also offering a "Rare" RZM SA dagger that has the RZM makers mark on the same side as the motto!? Did you guys ever hear of a real one like that?

Regards

Hinrik

If you will look in Atwood's dagger book you will see one of these, they are Atwood repros from the early 1960s.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Try page 58 of "The Daggers and Edged Weapons of Hitlers Germany" by Jim Atwood. It contains a nice chained NSKK dagger with such a blade. An Atwood fake.

Right on Ron!