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Paul,
Give us a hint as to why  Dave Dave |
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yes,,,arent we supposed to say why we believe an item is good/bad?...Dave..i am sure that you would have something to say about this,,for me,,the inscription in not well done...
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Yes it would be desirable to have the concrete answer, why it`s Fake ?!! . What details testify about this?
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fake ...just compare it with original Röhm dagger...
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Who can show for comparison the original Röhm dagger from Eichorn? To my mind it is necessary to compare with this type as different manufacturers can have differences in details.In any case mark and moto looks original. The mark`s size and placement on the blade are correspond to Rohm daggers.
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Just do a forum search. I'm sure there are some already posted on here somewhere??
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Gagarin,
Many of us don't want to get into the actual details here anymore due to the fact that the fakers use this info to improve their "product". But as suggested there are examples of Eickhorn "Full Rohm's" here if you type in "Eickhorn Full Rohm" under the "Find" tab. If your looking to buy a dagger like that don't worry about the dedication If the base of the blade has that much "Air" between the crossguard just walk away...IMO you don't need to see anything else. At best it can only be a "parts" dagger. -serge- |
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Gagarin Sir, we are trying to strike a balance here between helping folks and teaching the fakers how to do their job better. If you lay an original template on this you will see that the spacing is wrong. As well NEVER buy an Eickhorn Rohm where they do not show you clearly the spacing from the end of the name to the maker mark to the crossguard. That in itself is a red flag. Is this your dagger? Is it an an auction site? Where is it from?
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all good advice given here,,
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Hi Paul The same dagger is listed here from am member registred in Hamburg. http://www.wehrmacht-awards.co...wthread.php?t=389700 Gagarin have RU Email. Then he is in Russia.( maybee) http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...=profile&u=213106262 I bealive you will not get your answer where this dagger is for sale or whatever..... The pictures are hosted from the same URL. better save them before they are gone  LH |
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I speak only about the dagger`s part.Crossguard is not from this dagger.Probably these photos are better.
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I bealive you will not get your answer where this dagger is for sale or whatever.....
The pictures are hosted from the same URL. better save them before they are gone You are right, "you will not get your answer where this dagger is for sale" because this dagger is not on sale at present. LH[/QUOTE] |
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Yes, I would like to know that too please. On another forum you mentioned that you knew the history of this dagger prior to being "cleaned". Can you tell us that history? Perhaps post some "before" photos? And close up of hilt front and rear. All this will help us, so we can give you an accurate assessment as much as possible. Regards, -serge- |
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This blade was found separately from other parts of a dagger. Here the photos.
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Guys, I have been a member of this forum for around a couple of years and I just don't get the policy in relation to describing exactly why a piece is fake or not.
Paul's comment makes the most sense to me "we are trying to strike a balance here between helping folks and teaching the fakers how to do their job better". But the practice seems massively inconsistent in my humble opinion. I am a collector in a moderate way who listens with interest to the expert views but I tell you this, if I were a faker in business to dupe people this is the first place I'd come to 'test' the acceptability of my latest work before marketing to some hapless enthusiast. I have also observed that there is a general awareness of the problem and an attempt to be informative without spilling all the beans except that is when someone's cage gets rattled, the toys come out of the pram and a duel of experts ensues. Also, such is the enthusiasm of the contributors that it doesn't take long for resolve to crumble and all the knowledge spills out..."you may fold under questioning' as Joe Pesci said in Goodfellas! I don't have an answer to this but does anyone else feel that any self respecting crook would just lay low in this forum and quietly build the mother of all reference files to use as a manual for his dodgy cutlers back East (Europe I mean)? Of course knowing what's right and being able to replicate it are two different things. I guess meanwhile, I'm with Paul, if we trust that he and his peers are experts (which I do) then it is enough to know if a piece is wrong and if we need absolute detail then follow up on e mail. i guess that gives the expert the choice of whether to reply to 'vladimir@fakersdaggers.com" or not (apologies to any genuine Vladimirs out there. |
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This exact blade looks very familiar to me. It's been discussed on the internet before, complete with the photos of before and after restoration. A quick search turned up this thread, although it's not the one I remember. If I find the other one I'll post that also.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.co...wthread.php?t=224052 |
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I fully agree with you. I am a lurker who doesn't own a single dagger - yet. This forum has been a godsend to me by pointing out the fakes and why. I would feel lost if the fakes are fakes only in secret, and to me it don't seem likely that the fakers would go into production based on the forum entires. .
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Great imput guys, don't know the answer. I always wondered how come there are so many hits on a thread but very few posts... This topic was also explored here http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...28099473/m/306104991
The other thing that is happening here, and Gagarin I'm not suggesting you at all, is that guys post a dagger that is fake or not right pretending to ask for comments. What they are really doing is trolling. They are hoping that some poor bloke is going to email them asking to privately purchase the dagger. They then turn around and sell it, sometimes more than once. How do I know? Cause I've done it all myself. See that wound badge? I'm qualified for a gold.... with diamonds!! It's more commonly an Ebay trick and these fourms are not immune from it either. It's a cold hard world out there. That's why I try to comment if I know there is a "problem" dagger posted. BTW. I am not an expert. Whenever I even start to think I am, I look in my "mistake drawer". It's very humbling.  Pride comes before the fall. |
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Thanks for the information. I am assured it is the same blade. It would be interesting to receive particulars about the grandfather. |
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Fake vs Real, why don't you buy some reference books and save a lot of cash?
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"Some reference books" is not the Bible and probably have`t full and exact information. I some times ask, show me what points on this blade testify that this is fake!!! But while only words.  |
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Gagarin, you think it is genuine, that is fine.
The trick is to convince others it is good, not others prove to you it is bad. Doug |
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Not absolutely so. I do`t wish to prove something. To know, why this blade is fake is really necessary for me. If somebody ready to help me with it and show these points will be good. Comparing this blade with other originals, I do`t see differences. |
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I see your point, I hope you see the other point of the reason why going into detail is not the best of ideas.
Point being, lets say you want to sell this. You will have to convince a buyer that it is genuine, German made pre 1945. Not many people will lay out big $$ without being convinced. So that is the reason why people can sit back and say "Prove to me its real, I don't have to prove to you its fake". I agree with the thrust of your thoughts though, which is a point by point comparison with an accepted original. Doug |
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All that is necessary for me, is reason opinion. Very simply to tell "this is fake", but I will not begin to explain it, it will be the superfluous information. Very conveniently, but it is not constructive.I am not going to sell something and to use forum, as appraiser expert . |
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I agree generally, but Rohm inscriptions are a sensitive topic for a good reason, this is far from average dagger, and "those who know" are not of a mind to share what they know just to satisfy curiosity. So your quest for info will continue, I hope you gain the knowledge that will allow you to declare it genuine. Doug |
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Thanks for the wish. I will be grateful to all who can help me with this blade.
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