Please take a look on this SS.
Czech reproduction ?

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=2489...th+Exclamation+Point


Here a orginal makers mark on the blade.
If you compare you will notice they are some different.


Here is the Rzm code on the dagger in the link.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Roger Jeandell aka "Leipzig",

What stands out the most is picture 010 of the posted link, condition of the eagle compared with the rest of the dagger or the shape of the Z and its closeness within the circle. Picture angle?

It is different.Grip is absolutly untouched but eagle is very worn.???.

Someone likes it 'ON HOLD'

Nolan

In my opinion, the possibility that that grip was with that dagger originally is not likely at all. The blade has all the value, though, and I would have liked to see the tang markings before making a final judgment call. Obviously, the hanger for the clip is new or highly tuned up. Too much 'shine' and not enough even wear for me to consider it anything more than a parts dagger.

Mark

e on the blade that just shouts at you repro

Sorry about last post it should read
"Choice and rare" as made in the Fourth Reich except the grip eagle IMO
Painted scabbard?brand new hanger leather and the sharp spine on the blade all shout REPRO

Yes this SS is "humbug"

Look at the SS insigina too .

Near all RZM 7/29 have the SS lines out too the circle
On that dagger , there is space beetween the ring and SS runes.
the grip looks new .

Some other opinions ?

SS on the Craig site below.


Here a orginal too compare with.

Bigger zize


Lh 600

If this SS is humbug,,why does the dealer continue to sell it? Is this the type of conduct this individual is known for?

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Originally posted by Niblet:
If this SS is humbug,,why does the dealer continue to sell it? Is this the type of conduct this individual is known for?

Im not the seller. Just a collector with keen eye and opinions of it !

Ask the seller is my advice.

Yes LH 600 I realize you are not the seller,,and I am glad to see the points you made on this dagger,,not to often someone actually points out whats wrong,,they just say"bad" or "fake",,,how am I supposed to learn this stuff if no one actually points out whats wrong,,,so I do thank you for bringing this to light for me,,,I have not heard much positive feedback from this seller,,but I also know that he started this website,,so I dont want to offend anyone,,I was just looking for additional feedback or experiences folks have had with this guy,,,thats all

Niblet, you will find that a lot of the controversy surrounding high end items for sale usually involve this seller in particular.

In this hobby, reputation and ethics are the most important things.

Good luck in the hobby..it's a lot of interesting fun!

Mark

quote:

In this hobby, reputation and ethics are the most important things.

Good luck in the hobby..it's a lot of interesting fun!

Mark

Agree.
100 % reputation and ethics is they way too sucsess

This dagger was purchased from Serge Masche (AKA Wagner) at last year's MAX show, and is 100% original. The photos may not be the best, but rest assured, it is an original specimen.

Yes, that is the one.
Before Craig bought it Tom Wittmann looked at it and liked it.

-serge-

So we are to be expected to actually accept that the eagle is original to that grip? And that hanger leather? Original?

Mark

You don't have to accept anything Mark, the dagger doesn't belong to you.

I wanted to comment to inform the new collectors who may not know the depth of what to look for. I feel quite certain that Tom Whitmann would not say that the grip, grip eagle and leather were original to that dagger. That is what I have to say. The grip eagle is in no condition to have been with that grip for 70 years and neither is that leather.

I am somewhat experienced in grip eagles having owned almost 1,000 myself, so my interest is in teaching, not selling anything.

"How come every time there is a swirling controversy on an item from the Third Reich, it usually revolves around you"? A direct quote from the same man you invoke as "liking" that dagger, referring to your wares.

This is in no way a personal attack, just a stating of fact for the new guys. I have seen the movie before. Ethics, young friend...that's where we differ. The item speaks for itself as they all do.

Mark

I actually thought this was supposed to be a forum where individuals (discuss)thoughts >>>>Craig> the members stated their ideas about your dagger i am not getting why you have to be defensive >>>
regards

So,,as it stands,we have a dagger that has several legitimate questions raised about it,,all with high quality photos, and experience to back these points up,,,the seller "says" that serge and T Whittman says its "ok".,,so it must be "ok". well I'll take two then,,,seriously,, the dagger may very well be totally fine,,,but with these points raised what evidence is there to support this claim?? Does someone have another known original with these same markings? were there subtle variations in this makers work???

I am a complete newbie to this hobby,,but I know baloney when I see it.I also know not everything is explainable.Is that what this forum is about? if something is suspect(with photos and expertise to back it up),,,someone of a "higher" authority says its "ok" and offers no explanation why,,I am supposed to just accept this and say "ok here's my 5K" ??
I sincerely hope not

quote:

Originally posted by kingtiger:
In my opinion, the possibility that that grip was with that dagger originally is not likely at all.

I'll second that.

All these should have high quality nickel eagles, about 90% of the !-daggers I've seen have the "runes touch circle" button.
All the ones I own have identical eagles and buttons, no matter whether they are fully maker marked or RZM's.

Best regards,

quote:

Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb:
You don't have to accept anything Mark, the dagger doesn't belong to you.

But the money collectors use for buying daggers is our money.
Craig ` ? can you points out whats correct with this daggers since you are with us in the tread ?

LH 600

Send it to TW and see what he says on paper.

quote:

Originally posted by Craig Gottlieb:
This dagger was purchased from Serge Masche (AKA Wagner) at last year's MAX show, and is 100% original. The photos may not be the best, but rest assured, it is an original specimen.

Do you have better pics then, Craig of the Rzm 7-29 ?
Put them out here are u kind.

Orginal you say ?
can you points out whats correct with this dagger Craig G

SERGE : what are your opinions of it in person ?
You have handled this 7-29 in hand and are a well known collector. Please let me hear from you.


Lh 600