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and why attribute it to Eicke?

Why not? An infamous person who sure can't disagree from the grave.

Cog hammer- Yes, Raidl is still setting up a table at some shows ( at least as of last January ). I don't think he likes to talk too much about the early days because 1) he's basically out of the dagger hobby, having had to liquidate his entire dagger collection years ago (divorce), and 2) some people seem to want to hold him almost criminally responsible for his attempt to publish a book without the benefit of the accummulated knowledge that we enjoy now 40+ years later .

BTW, here is a picture from an old (50s-60s?) True magazine, part of a 2 page article featuring "Dutch" Heilman's collection. The embellished political daggers being discussed in this thread are shown around the top of the central circle of daggers.

Keep this photo in mind the next time someone offers you an opportunity on something "that's just resurfaced out of an old, well-known collection" .

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Originally posted by foxart:
Cog hammer- Yes, Raidl is still setting up a table at some shows ( at least as of last January ). I don't think he likes to talk too much about the early days because 1) he's basically out of the dagger hobby, having had to liquidate his entire dagger collection years ago (divorce), and 2) some people seem to want to hold him almost criminally responsible for his attempt to publish a book without the benefit of the accummulated knowledge that we enjoy now 40+ years later .

ROGER-
I APPRECIATED THE R & L BOOK FOR IT'S EARLY ATTEMPT TO SPREAD SOME KNOWLEDGE TO EARLY COLLECTORS. TAKEN THE TIMES IN WHICH IT WAS PUBLISHED, BARELY 10 YEARS AFTER THE WAR, IT IS AMAZING THAT MORE INACCURICIES DID NOT OCCUR. IF YOU EVER SEE MR. RAIDL, PLEASE THANK HIM FROM ONE OF THE EARLY GUYS FOR THE SERVICE HE PREFORMED. I KNOW HE DID NOT GET RICH SELLING THE BOOK.
AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS, I KNOW WHAT DUTCH HEILMAN LOOKED LIKE. THANKS FOR POSTING THE INTERESTING PICTURE.
BOB

Foxart, very cool photo!
I was a bit bummed when Raidl didnt want to speak with me. but thats been quite a while and I did come to the end where I understood how he felt. I was just happy thinking he thought enough of me asking to just about "give" me the book. I never wanted to put him on the hot seat just get a good feel for what the beginings were like. When the book arrived and I found he left the hobby that spoke volumes to me. I wish him well!
Bret Van Sant

I believe Dutch was duped into buying these daggers and was not aware they were fakes made from original daggers. I think it is known where these fakes came from by some. I think the writers of the red book know-for sure.

This is were a "textbook" is not always factual. Love to see nice repos!

Achtung!!! I now present to you blade photos of what I truly beleive to be an incredible, and unique genuine period etch. I won't bore you with photos of the scabbard, as that, as well as the dagger's period authenticity is not in question. It is however, as I understand the association with Mr. Heilman's alleged embellished pieces which have cast sardonic retort. My original question was not related to the authenticity of the piece, but to it's current market-value for say insurance purposes. T.W. had offered to purchase it back a while ago for considerably more than the original price. I doubt it was to protect his reputation from association with Mr. Heilman.
Respectfully-Eicke

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My original question was not related to the authenticity of the piece, but to it's current market-value for say insurance purposes.

C'mon Eicke! Please look at that statement! Then, Please, Tell me how you can appraise any kind of value on an item without considering whether it is Authentic or not?

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Can anyone see the pictures? Maybe it's my steam driven computer needs the boiler re-coked.

eicke....we can't see the photos!

-serge-

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I am posting these images for Eicke.

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