I took some new pics, and after reading some of yesterdays posts, I decided to hope we get back to collecting!

So lets see some goodies!


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Sorry thats pic of tab I listed!

I meant to show visor!

Wouldn't let me remove!


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Laundry?

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Another visor!

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Good idea Paul. Beautiful visors. My small group of black uniforms, which are visorless....The one in the foreground, is a 1933 with black & white collar twist, needs an early jawless EM. From Bodensee. (maybe 1935, I can't quite make out the VA stamp). The back one on the full mannequin, (Obersturmführer), from Hamburg, is 1938 VA stamped.

BTW, Paul your photo portrait there looks like the same vintage with black & white collar twist, as my early tunic, in my photo. I see he also has earlier style tabs. No doubt, a color bordered cuff title as well.

You need this black woolen, obviously. Viel Sammlerglueck. This came from Europe via southern California and was at hand. I did not buy it, either, for which I am sorry.

!That was both kind, and mean...!

Noch ein Bild, obwohl die anderen scheinbar keine grosse Lust hervorgerufen haben....

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Originally posted by Johann:
!That was both kind, and mean...!

My dear, I did not mean to cause pain. I am angry I did not buy it myself, and I had the chance. It is still on the Grenadier website, in fact, but as sold...

The earlier wool was a different grade or courseness, which Donald could probably explain. I see the same texure of wool in this visor as is my tunic. I've also seen it on the early black kepis. Do you know what I mean Donald?

Some of those differences between early and later made pieces are hard to convey without seeing and feeling the two, side by side. Like early and later button finishes, (gekörnt). I wish that more collectors lived near me, so that I could see more examples close up...Luckily one of my tunics is early, and one later. (start of the war)...

Were I a better photographer, it would be easier. The early caps 'til about 1936 or were of generally much better quality than the contract caps made thereafter and which are most often encountered. The cap of Vondrack is an example of the later contract cap, made by the tens or more of thousands and at a time when the incipient war effort made things less luxurious, as well as the finances of the Allgemeine SS were on the ropes because of the general build up of paramilitary formations, &c. The latter fact is essentially unknown. The finish of buttons is well illustrated in the Assmann catalog, in fact. See pp.53-54 of the Reddick reprint. These contrast with the finish of the Wehrmacht and really most other styles of buttons in use in the III. Reich. The matter of the woolens, however, can only be determined by having the thing in front of you and a comparison with many pieces, in fact.

I would like to see that sometime. If any member has that scan, I would very much appreciate an e-mail. Or a posting...

Other items of black woolens already posted, but which garnered no comments whatsoever.

The most recent that I can remember, which were discussed in very much detail, were Hooper's "Happy Easter" and Hans' green bordered 6 sturm. I know of a recent purchase of a black cavalry tunic, but it's up to it's owner to share it.

I examined the early black visor cap at Bruce Herman's table at the last SOS. It was (is) a magnificent piece and I was tempted to buy it. I wish I had. At this time I am seriously considering the acquisition of a black outfit to stand guard in my office/den. Let's see some more of what you fellows have.

Cheers,

I am glad the cap with the early badges via Herman got the approval of brother Darryl, a man of great taste and refinement in black woolens and black helmets. Actually, I had posted some images of authentic black officer caps elsewhere, but these were greeted with a yawn. My computer is bollixed up at the moment and I am having issues with attachments, which are always too big anyway. Sapere aude. Postscriptum: oh, the computer digested this image of a cap I examined from Maederer. Unlike the the one on the Herman site, this cap had all the runes, tags, &c. It is of the era 1934 or so. Also here visible is the quality of wool of which my colleague in so. California has written above.

Here is its inside.

It had this kind of tag, i.e. the earliest one in use in RZM regulated items after about 1933/4. The tag illustrated here, however, is from an officer's cap of similar vintage. The Hamburg maker is an absolute rarity for black SS headwear, but the cap in question, which I recently saw, was stunning and quite authentic.

Another early cap, a Pekuero, which has seen the passage of time and which passed through my hands in the intermediate past. It has a kind of poetry to it. Plainly, its owner modernized its badges as the regulations changed from 1934 until 1936.

Yet another early cap, a Clemens Wagner, of exceptional quality, the property of one of the many medical doctors or professors in the SS. Look at the rank lists. This one has a leather peak. The badges were updated on this cap, too. One can plainly see where the other badges had been and these cap badges at hand are the 1st generation of their kind. The later Clemens Wagner caps are much inferior to this rare piece. This piece was defecated on by some on the other website who decried it for not being "...textbook." That is, it had none of the runes, tags, stamps &c. Wie dumm! sapere aude.

Finally, to overcome the ennui of a rainy Sunday in May, one of the caps from the Wilkins book, that I was also able to examine. Eine absolute Raritaet ersten Ranges, an early Mueller for an officer circa 1935. The saddle shape in its most refined expression. Its cousin is still for sale on the Maederer site, but of much later make, but wholly echt....zugreifen! Servus.

Johann,
A lovely collection you have there thank you for letting us peak into your bunker.
And many authentic and rare caps from Donald's images and the nice shaped one from Paul,,all pleasent to see on a late Sunday evening,,,,

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Originally posted by Donald Abenheim:
Noch ein Bild, obwohl die anderen scheinbar keine grosse Lust hervorgerufen haben....

This did not work, obviously....

Yes, thanks Donald for taking the time to post these visors. I like the early ones with the pinched crest, but I LOVE the saddle-like shape of that last officer cap. High crown, and drooped sides. Perfect shape...Each has it's own character, same as the tunics.

What makes the one visor from an SS medical personell?