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I do not like color of a blade. Such variant of an eagle on grip is allowable? It is a good dagger or a fake?

 
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Ilya, P.WEYERSBERG has been the only maker of those postal protection leaders dagger. The blade seems to have a very smooth spine but generally I cannot see any red flag overall. The makermark looks like the ones I have seen on period blades. The eagle is crisp, why do you think it is a variant? The crossguard, wooden grip and scabbard are exactly like I have seen on those period ones coming by. What I can see from the pics it is a nice conditioned period postal protection dagger. Naturally an in hand inspection cannot be compensated by pics.
Is there any marking on the underside of the crossguard?


wotan, gd.c-b#105

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Thanks Wotan. A spine really very smooth. You are right. I have some photos of eagles. In my opinion they little bit others. On grip, an internal surface of the top detail and inside crossguard there is figure " 7 ".

 
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Ilya
Happy for you to use photos from my site but would appreciate you mentioning the fact Wink
Regards
Paul
 
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Thanks Paul! In my collection of photos your photos take a significant place. I always try to compare subjects to the checked up samples. I am sorry, that has not mentioned you, but I really do not remember, whence I take photos.
 
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Where are the top photos from ?
 
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The dagger for self looks good to me , but i must agree with Ilya : the grip eagle looks strange to me , i only know the eagle below .
 
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I took mine out and took a look. Yes, the eagle is definitely different. As the one of Paul is also a numbered one as yours (mine is not) and there were not too many daggers produced I cannot imagine that it is a variant. A close inspection would be necessary how it is attached. How are the swaz´s in the crossguard, are they real enamel (try carefully with a needle)?


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Ilya,

I asked you where those photos at the top came from, and I would much appreciate and answer. They appear to be from the same place as the Hammesfahr photos.

Thanks
Dave
 
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Hello Dave!
I have made these photos itself. I now have some interesting daggers, but I would like to be sure, that it is originals, instead of fakes. If on this forum to me will specify the certain attributes of that it is a fake it is better to me to return to their.
 
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The grip eagle is not the familiar , i have never seen before.The swastika enameled is not original , the original enameling is fine and glossy.Was the dagger denazifed and is restored ??
 
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It seems to me, that it is a fake.
Wrong eagle whom anybody before did not meet.
More dark color of metal details.
Dark blade.
Wrong hook on hanger.
Whether could such happen, what at all these differences it is the original?
 
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"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
 
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Ilya, why do you mean this is a fake ?Parts or complete fake?
 
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Certainly, if it was the forgery all parts of a dagger at least would be similar to original details. In this dagger the part of details is not similar absolutely. But there are no sources in which such variant of a dagger would be described. All parts of this dagger look as a single whole. Thus all of them are numbered and is absolutely exact, that it have made not yesterday. I would like to hear as much as possible opinions.
 
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Ilya, the real pics you made (contrary to the scans) let me think of a fake dagger. The eagle has an untypical color/finish for postal daggers and the finish of the crossguard also seems to be significant different to known originals.
Summing up the smooth spine, the strange eagle, the differing crossguard and the different clip it might be a total fake. The strukture of the wooden grip in the pic seems to be identical to period ones. So I think a close in hand inspection is necessary if it is a total fake (I do not believe it is one of the early well known fakes) or a parts dagger one denazified.


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Frederick J.Stephens "Reproduction? Recognition!".The text from the book. Already it seems to me, that this dagger not a fake, and the original. If it is valid so many variants were, why nobody can show something new?