I know this picture is bad , emailed for more, does this look ok so far? Its a Paul Weyersberg?The crossgard is a main concern ,thought the eagle and swaz looked questionable, matter of fact I thought I saw the funny looking beak before. then also the maker is in question.T

Tiep,

GD's dagger reference gallery says these were made exclusively by Eickhorn. TJ's volume VIII mentions Johnson's purchase of an original Weyersberg Bahnschutz1 by Weyersberg so anything's possible. This one might be a mix of parts, I'd proceed with extreme caution
http://www.germandaggers.com/D...Guide/RailwayWPP.htm

Tiep:

Top echo Billy, be very careful. Even if it seems to be 100%, a non accepted maker will give you headaches and great difficulty if at some point you decide to unload this piece.

Over the years, only a couple of these have been accepted as real.

There is one that most people agree is a real one on Craig's site in his gallery. I think that Paul Hogle also has one pictured on his site in his gallery. They are both Eickhorns.

Remember, that even when produced by Eickhorn and pictured in their catalogue, this items really was a parts piece. It was created out of other dagger parts with only a couple of unique features, like the scabbard bands.

John

JOHNSONS BOOK DOES SHOW A CLEMEN AND JUNG???!!!***Looks very questionable with that funny looking bird, not very distingquished. Its at $1050 now and a couple weeks to go. Whoa!

Tiep:

I think that tens of thousands is what a real one would go for. If you can even find one.

John

Note that Weyersberg also did make Bahnschutz-Leader-daggers.! It`s possible that they also manufacture that model.

Medes

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Originally posted by Billy G.:

TJ's volume VIII mentions Johnson's purchase of an original Weyersberg Bahnschutz1 by Weyersberg so anything's possible.

I thought I said that


Tiep,

The price is certainly telling, even if you knew nothing else about this particular dagger. As JohnZ says, an original, if you could even find one, would run in the tens of thousands of dollars. Someone selling an allegedly original example of an extremely rare dagger at a fraction of it's value should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism IMO.

I've only seen one of these daggers .It was Bob McCarthy's .Looking in TJ Vol.1 the crossguard looks to have more of a down sweep to it like the 2nd R.R..This looks like an Army.JMO

This is perhaps the rarest production dagger made. One needs to do a lot of research before making the leap. The most accepted one is the silver washed Eickhorn.
I know that gold versions are out there and examples by other makers but they are shrouded in controversy.
IMHO if you are prepared to collect at this level buy a silver Eickhorn. It may take a year or more for one to come to market and when one does it does not ever make it to a dealer site.

Im sure its fake . I know I saw that crappy looking eagle before.Just wanted some input. T

In my 50 plus years in this hobby I have only seen two real RWPP. The one McCarthy had and one that C. Gottleib found out of the sticks a few years ago (not in the greatest condition) and those are the only ones.
Ron Weinand

Ron,

That statement can be taken wrong. I know i bought mine over 15 years ago from Tim W.

Are you stating that he and other dealers are selling fakes?

I hope that isn't what your accusing them of doing?

Take it how ever you want Bob, but since I didn't see it, I can't say it was good or bad. I'm only talking about those that I have seen and the only good ones were both Eickhorns.
Also, if you study the Eickhorn catalog picture, you will find that the crossguard on the one pictured there is not your average Army Eickhorn crossguard and both of the ones I am talking about had the same crossguard as the one in the catalog.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

OK what the heck, whats a fake worth?

The folks here are only sharing what knowledge is available out there on these. I don't think I would be out of place to say that NO ONE is an expert on these. Shoot if Ron's only ever seen two I would venture to say that few have ever seen one real example!!!!
We are all here to learn.
Bob why not share what you have?

heres some extra pictures they sent

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uuu So is it fake probably, whats it worth ?

yyy MM

I like it but I would not pay a lot for it. I think the cross guard is generic. Those with a maker other than Eickhorn? A very hard sell.

The good thing is if its deemed a fake or repro its refundable...wow...Im getting itchy on this .

I cant comment on the dagger itself but I am not overly keen on that trademark.

Bowmans book, although deemed toilet paper at this site stated that Weyersberg blades were on the German repro dags.T

Degens, thanks for the comparison, big differences thats for sure.

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Bowmans book, although deemed toilet paper

Your RIGHT it is...
Regards: James

Like Ron, I've only see those two silver originals that Ron has spoken about - mine, and Bob McCarthy's. I also handled (and sold) the single example by Eickhorn in Gold that was real in my view. This very dagger originated the notion that they were also made in Gold. The gold example was, I believe, a prototype that was never issued. As an aside, most people don't even know what these daggers were for, but here's the scoop . . .

The dagger was worn by a small contingent of police who served a very small barge-service that shuttled railroad cars from Germany to Denmark. Why they got their own dagger is a mystery that we may never know. My guess is that the contingent was scheduled to expand, but never did.

If you ever come across an example you want to "vet" just unscrew the pommel. You'll likely find a yellow-colored lacqueur on the light weight pommel.

hi any chance of pics of the one you own. gov daggers by eickhorn are numbered on all parts,could these wpp possibly be numbered as they seem to be a limited edition.
thanks dippy

No, the two that I owned were NOT numbered internally.

I just picked up what I believe to be a visor cap for the DRB-WSP. (Mine is an EM/NCO with the leather strap). Does anyone have any pics of Railway Water Protection Police EM/NCO's or Officers and/or regulations regarding the same?

No one has any regs/info/pics of the Reichsbahn Wasserschutzpolizei? In any event, here is an NCO visor for the organisation: