Guys, this is a long shot but thought I'd try. Maybe impossible without photos to show but I saw a sword on the weekend which was described as an SS Seargents dress sword. The scabbard and sword blade are nickel / chrome plated and the scabbard, near where the handle sits in the scabard has the black SS insignia on it. It is a fairly typical type sword with the D guard. I couldn't see any manufacturers marks on it. It is a reputable dealer who assures me it is genuine ww2 and says it came from Czech. It is in great condtion but looks it's age. Unfortunately the sword is some distance away and I can't get photo's. Very interested in buying the item but don't have a clue about these things.
Hi >> Craig >>>there is no way anybody can tell you if this sword is good or not without some pictures of it >>>How much does the dealer want for it?? Can you ask the dealer to send you pictures of it?? There is not much repros on Police swords but there are many> am saying it again many SS swords that are turned SS from Police Deggens>>and the price of those certainly goes up to the sky >>>if you need info pictures would help. regards
OK, got a few photos. Only seemd to give me the option to post one so here it is. I can't find any marks / makers name on the sword? Seems in lovely condition if it's the real thing. The blade is also nickel plate with no engraving. Looks like it's never been sharpenned. The guy is asking $500. Hope someone can help
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Guys, this is a long shot but thought I'd try. Maybe impossible without photos to show but I saw a sword on the weekend which was described as an SS Seargents dress sword. The scabbard and sword blade are nickel / chrome plated and the scabbard, near where the handle sits in the scabard has the black SS insignia on it. It is a fairly typical type sword with the D guard. I couldn't see any manufacturers marks on it. It is a reputable dealer who assures me it is genuine ww2 and says it came from Czech. It is in great condtion but looks it's age. Unfortunately the sword is some distance away and I can't get photo's. Very interested in buying the item but don't have a clue about these things.
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Guys, this is a long shot but thought I'd try. Maybe impossible without photos to show but I saw a sword on the weekend which was described as an SS Seargents dress sword. The scabbard and sword blade are nickel / chrome plated and the scabbard, near where the handle sits in the scabard has the black SS insignia on it. It is a fairly typical type sword with the D guard. I couldn't see any manufacturers marks on it. It is a reputable dealer who assures me it is genuine ww2 and says it came from Czech. It is in great condtion but looks it's age. Unfortunately the sword is some distance away and
Craig- If it were me I would have patience and thouroghly educate myself on the item your after,especially when your talking a substansial amount of money. Before laying out that kind of green you may want to be sure it's original,the maker you want,the type of fittings your after,if the condition is worth the asking price,early or late model,personalized or not,quality of workmanship on fittings,blade length,ect,ect... After you have that knowledge you may or may not realize this item was even right for you. I don't understand why,regardless where the sword is,seller would'nt be able to e-mail you some photo's as this seems to be a standard practice. I think your on the right track by looking at good and bad examples on sites,reading good reference books on the subject,and getting opinions before you buy.
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Craig,When I first read you verbal dicription I thought there is no way the SS had a sword like that.But the picture proved other wise.The SS had a sword like that called in Angolias sword book on page 230 an Army Calvalry saber.The problem is is it original or not how hard would it be to apply those runes on that sword.I would not pay a great deal for it.Get an option to return it if it turns out you do not like it after it,s in your hands.A roll of the dice price of $500.00-$750.00 and hopefully you will roll a 7 on the come out roll.Onemore thing what is so hard about getting good pictuers sent these days.Just no reason for blury out of focus,wait for days,only one ect in this day and age,makes me suspicious sometimes.P.S I'm not to crazy about the nickle scabbard.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
I would not touch this sword with a ten foot pole. First red flag is that it comes out of the Czech Republic where many reproduction edged weapons are now from. Second red flag is the fake scabbard that has a too large ring, incorrect throat piece, and is nickel plated. Third red flag are the runes that appear to have been engraved into the langet of an original sword and then covered with black paint to disguise the ruse.
Spend your money on something you know is original and is in the original regulations or catalogs.
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
Concur with ORPO. The nickel plate looks brand new and probably is. Also the runic style is one often used on fakes and seldom if ever on originals. There is a strong probability the entire sword is a fake.
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I also agree. There are too many warning signs to be comfortable with this sword. As noted, the runes are easily added to an unmarked sword and the scabbard is just not right.
Posts: 1498 | Location: Mid-South, USA | Registered: 30 October 2001
Craig, I agree with George and Houston. Over the years I have seen a number of swords made or modified to be “SS” swords. Some using the technique George described, and others being much more creative. There are some other minor issues which from the images are problematic, but the bottom line is save your money. FP
Posts: 2807 | Location: (formerly) Northridge, California | Registered: 28 December 2001
Guys, thanks for the advice. A couple of things...firstly I would be buying this sword purely because I like it's appearance, and be prepared to pay the asking price if I knew it was genuine so that is what I would primarily like to establish. Zorro mentioned he'd seen it in a book but mentions the runes may be a problem. Does the scabbard / scabbard fittings line up with the pictures in the book? Everyone seems to think the scabbard is wrong. Would anyone be kind enough to post the photo from the book? The odd thing for me is that there are no markings on the sword? Could that be normal if genuine? As far as the pictures that was my fault. The sword is at a third party antique store on consignment. The antique store don't even have a digital camera so I went and took the photos with my mobile phone so nothing untoward there (except the quality of my phone!). Is there anyway proof positive I can make sure this is original? Regards Craig
Craig >>please run from this sword and the dealer who tells this is original >>>The scabbard is wrong and overall this specimen looks new >>>the ring on the scabbard is too large>> i do not know >>i would give $10 the most for this one >>so keep the money for something that is original >>go to www.lakesidetrader.com >>he is got some Police Degens %100 original regards Aleksandr
Just to be clear.I would not buy the sword with one crummy picture.I do not like the scabbard.It would be hard to tell if the SS runes were put on yesterday or 75 years ago.If I did buy it for $10.00 I would want a return option.I would not pay more than 750.00 even if I did think it was real no matter were it came from.Last but not least what is the asking price?And if you just want one for the looks make it yourself
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
ok, to answer the questions...The SS insignia is actually set (embossed) into the steel so it was made that way, be it a fake or genuine...couldn't be added later. The asking price is $500. Still not sure what you guys are saying? Is the concencus it could be real but no way of knowing or? Zorro says he saw it in a book. When you say you don't like the scabbard Zorro do you mean you don't like the appearance or it is incorrect for the sword? Does the scabbard look the same as the one in the book?
wrong scabbard plating, and the whole thing is only tuned up to fool someone to make profit out of it. Educate your self in this area first 110% and spend then your heard earned money on it from such sources
Craig,Do not try and talk yourself into it.The people in the know on this forum say stay clear of it.One red flag is one to many.The scabbard should be painted black,I do not think they were ever chrome nickel what ever it is.Whittmann SS book shows only black painted scabbards.SS items are just a minefield.I would never pay more than $750.00 even if I liked the looks of one that I thought was an original.Save your money there is always something else you can find that you can't live without.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
Craig, The “SS” runes are not “embossed” into the langet but almost certainly engraved as George stated. Usually by someone using a “Dremel” tool, but I’ve seen other methods as well.
Anybody can do it, although it helps if you have a steady hand or a template. The (fresh) engraving then being covered up by paint. With the sword being “yours” if try and check it out and damage any part of it in the process. That is assuming you get the sword - and can return it.
There are reasons no one has anything good to say about this sword. FP
Posts: 2807 | Location: (formerly) Northridge, California | Registered: 28 December 2001
