Thought I might post this presentation Hirschfänger sack, given by Göring to his hunting comrade P Nicolaus, wish I had the hirschfänger that went in it. The lettering is all gold bullion.

Gary

Herman Göring given with affection to my hunting comrade P Nicolaus on 2nd November 1936,

Great bullion lettering

close up of Bullion

I have seen a comparable (cloth material, stitching, text font) bag anywhere, I think in another forum and it turned out that these bags are known total fakes (what I did believe already before).
Regards,

Wotan, are you saying this bag is a fake. I will take a lot of convincing of this piece being a fake piece. Not that I have seen any others but it is extremely well made, first I have seen with a fake moth hole as well.

Gary

Well it sure doesn't SMELL like a fake.....
Paul

That baby is done with quality, that I believe is consistant with period 3rd Reich material.

The bag looks good to me although most bags are more of a felt material. But--If Wotan has seen another or others- that would tend to change my mind. It also would be interesting to see if this Officer is listed in the DJ yearbooks.

I would love to see another or others, why would they make only one or two or three if they were fake, why not make hundreds. I paid hardly anything for it on German Ebay, that to me is not the place to sell a fake of this calibre.I believe it's 100% original, having it in hand only re-inforces that.

Gary

I have checked my evidences. Unfortunately I have not downloaded the pics of the other bag as it is/was such an evident fake that I have thought I never would need to compare. I remember it was detected as made by modern logo stitching machines which seem to become even privately available nowadays.
I try to find the other copy. If I have success I let you know.
Why not make hundreds? Because you would not have bought it if there were hundred of these fakes . Do not forget there is not much interest in hunting daggers and the market is small.
Regards

Wotan--Do you remember if the name on the other bag was the same or different?

I now could find comparable pics of the bag saved by a collector friend of mine. Sorry we could not reconstruct where the pics / the bag were/was coming from. We can see now that it obviously is the same bag. This certain bag, which there was detected as fake before, obviously was sold...
The overall quality of the bag does not conform to any during the IIIR period professionally produced storage bag. As Houston already has stated they came made more of felt material. The edges always are of much more quality construction. Look at the "end" construction (left in first pic of this thread) it even is not symetric.
Naturally you can take it or leave it, here this bag was looked at as such an ovious fake nobody did care much about it.
Regards.

Wotan

Thanks for the additional information, it seems that rather than there being any others out there this is the only one known to date. I must say that I'm surprised that others found this an obvious repro, it's not felt so it must be a repro!!!!!, actually the end of the bag is symetrical, it's just the way it lays because it has been folded for a long time. I can see no problems with the wording or the style of lettering. When this piece is in hand it's a quality made piece, you or others may believe not but that is your perogative. I for one like it and believe it's of the period,it seems what you have posted is an opinion only and I respect that and believe it's the reason we put things like this on the forum.

Many thanks

Gary

I have seen one like this at the Ciney (Belgium) show last year in Octobre, the seller was offering AH porcelain, Eva Braun textiles,...etc. Did not believe it to be original, easy to fabricate anyway.

E-Bay is in my opinion the worst place for any treasure hunt, but that is just my opinion...

Best greetings,

Herman

Herman, thanks for the additional information, we need to get to the bottom of this. I'm sure that they are easy to fabricate but that doesn't make it bad.

I have a different opinion on Ebay, if you know what your looking for then it's great, I have bought many items and been very happy with almost all of them.

Thanks

Gary

Hi Gary,

I saw this sack on german ebay and was interested in it because of it's Göring connection. Eventually I passed on it because I wasn't sure of it's authenticity. Now it seems there is at least one or maybe two other identical sacks in existence. I can think of at least 3 different scenarios to explain why.

1. Perhaps Göring gave 2 or more of these sacks to the same recipient. Therefore, the known 2-3 identical sacks would all be authentic. Why would the recipient have received these many sacks?

2. Perhaps Göring gave only one sack to the recipient and the other known identical sacks are copies. How does one determine who has the authentic sack?

3. Perhaps Göring did not give any sacks to the recipient and none of them are authentic. Is there any evidence the recipient lived and would have received this sack?

In my opinion, if your sack turns out to be authentic then you paid a bargain price. If it's not authentic then you didn't overpay. Either way, the sack would look appropriate for a hirschfanger collection. However, it sure would be nice to know the true story about these sacks.

Best regards,
Dane

not my area..

But that moth seems to like the bit of cloth under the "AUS" on both examples...

Mark

Dane,

I am not sure that the sack I have seen in Ciney, was dedicated to the same person, I remember it being the same style, green with gold lettering and given by Göring in the 30ties.


Gary,

I also bought a couple of nice items (mostly daggers) via E-Bay, but I have never found a real treasure: super item at a very interesting price. that is all I meant.
I did find a few treasures via privite people in Germany.

Best greetings,

Herman

Mark

The mothing under the Aus is because it's the same bag, the item that Wotan was talking about and had pictures of turned out to be the same piece.
Herman said he saw another one at a show in Belgium, he cannot remember the inscription other than it was similar, it's possible that that one was the same bag, we'll never know, so as it stands at the moment there is only ONE known bag as of this time. Easy to make one of these, I'm sure there are people out there well capable. I'm no expert and have never proffessed to be but OBVIOUS fake, I don't think so, but I put it up to show people and am glad of all the opinions that have been given.

Gary

If this bag was mine the least I would do is put it under a black light and do the burnt thread test.