I decided to start a new permanent thread on these-inspired by Don's location of the partial list of numbered badges and the recipients. There has been quite a bit of discussion about these in the past, but now we know a bit more about them. I hope by making permanent threads we will avoid losing them as has happened in the past.
-They are qualification badges according to set requirements, not "winners" badges.
-Tyrol badges seem to be local but in fact most were considered to be National awards as this was the principal annual National match.
-In all probability, IMO, there are no known repros of these badges. In the 60's many of these badges appeared, IMO, located in Germany as "left overs", unissued, but real. Collectors were not sure at the time if they were real or not. Many of these were the badges marked A. G. & Co, Munchen. These were considered questionable IMO because the Master Class version was often found in Bronze color rather than in the correct Gold color.This in turn caused collectors to question the other A G badges as well. Having examined many of these A G badges, I have found that some, very few, do have the correct gold color -but not in very good shape, the gold being mostly gone. So IMO, which I have altered,- even when these are found with a bronze color-they are period, the gold having faded being fragile.
-There are several makers of these badges so slight variations are seen, some are unmarked and there are slight differences in the pins.
Some come in cases and in cases containing four badges, but these cases and sets are quite rare.

So--Here is my collection to date. Almost complete, but still missing a few. I also have two cased sets not photographed here.

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All of the 1938 badges are scarce, especially the silver and gold, but here is a really rare one--the only one I have seen. I believe it is for "supported" long range manksmanship but I am not sure.

Houston...

Three comments....
1. WoW !!!!

2. Great stuff !!!

3.. Thanks.....

Thank you Houston, I'm honoured. Perhaps together we can improve the image of these badges.

I don't think that we appreciate just how important these events were to the regime. Just imagine, four years into a war, the Allies having finally invaded from the West & pushing up into Italy from the South (ish! ), Russia hot on Germans heels from the East. In all of this around 30,000 shooters travelled from all over the Reich to take part.......

Great collection Houston!

As well as the badges there were other awards, like this large table medal which is approx 3 1/2 inches across.

Cheers
Don

That's a great one Don--but what is it for?

Your guess is as good as mine..... I assume it's one of the actual awards rather than an achievement badge. I'm still investigating...

As with many of the Meisterschütze badges, it was gold (some still remains) but as with the zinc badges it is fading.

Cheers
Don

Anything on the back?

No, when I first found it I hoped that it would be engraved, but alas....

The "felt" of the lower half of the case has faded where it's been open on display. Under the medal it's a deep green colour.

Cheers
Don

HOUSTON ..... What a Superb Assembladge of the Tyrolian Shooting Badges! I have picked up some along the way, as they are such nice additions to display with Shooting, Hunting & Rifle Association Items. The "Tyrol" Eagle Design seems to be a distinctive & unique one.

DON ...Super Non Portable Award!
How did you happen to come across the "Numbers" for the Shooting Badges? Txs, Dave dblmed

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Originally posted by dblmed:
DON ...Super Non Portable Award!
How did you happen to come across the "Numbers" for the Shooting Badges? Txs, Dave dblmed

Thanks.

A friend of mine who new I was interested in the Landesschießen events said that he'd seen some booklets with that name on in his local second hand bookshop. I asked him to pick them up for me not knowing at all what the significance of them would be..... I very lucky find.

Hope you don't mind Housten I'll add the link for the Meisterschütze thread so that anyone visiting here can find it easily. http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8470972702/m/8310016105

Cheers
Don

DON ....Thanks for the 'Link' as I had missed that discussion.

Also thank you for your generosity in finding name matches for submitted numbers! (Others charge for the service, in the SS & other areas!)

Finding the 'missing documents' is akin to SS-Researcher knowing where to look & finding > 50,000, or so, traceable SS Numbers to NCO / EM members ....in our US National Archives!!! Just like the 'old books' you acquired, which have been languishing in someone's home for 60+ years - the same is true with the 'now found' SS Numbers.

It all goes to point out that one often 'Looks - but doesn't see." There is still so much WW2 Data, in various archives & private collections, that other historically significant discoveries are hopefully still to be found! Good going on your research piece. Txs, Dave / dblmed

Thanks Dave,

The thing with these is that there is such a low interest in them that I don't mind spending an hour or so going through the lists for someone. If they were more collectable like SS items & I were to be inundated with requests, I suppose it would be a different matter.

I'd be happy if we could just raise the profile of these under appreciated badges a little. I've started a database of known badges & their whereabouts in the hope that if other badges awarded to the same recipient turn up, then the current owners may be able to add them to their collection.

Cheers
Don

An awsome display of your collection Houston. Stunning.

I can't remember if I asked you if you were the one that bought those cased sets from the dealer at the SOS some years back. He was back against the far right wall. I bought my named set from him, but passed on the cased set. He later told me that someone bought them all and quite quickly, without quibbiling about prices. Apparently they were all put from another local fellow here in town who sold is collection to the dealer when he decided to retire from collecting and move.I guess it was probably 2000?

I did buy those-in fact almost every shooting medal he had-and there were a lot of them--but I DID get a much better price

Houston, That is an absolutely magnificent collection, it is astounding that you almost have the complete collection.

I have had this laying around way before I ever thought of collecting Third Reich. I did'nt think that it was military, but now I see one that looks similar to this one in the second photo that you posted. I'm still not sure that this is the same thing that you have.

Could you please take a look and give me your opinion on it?

Thanks

Thanks, It's a civilian private purchase lapel type badge from the region of Tyrol. Tyrol, as I understand it, is a region, something like a US county but larger.

Great thread Houston - it has special significance for me since I am from Tirol but living in AUS - next year when I visit home again I`ll look out for those badges as many of my friends there are hunters
btw Tirol is one of nine states of Austria and app 12000 km sq

Lanner--there is a lot of information there in Tyrol that we would like to get about these badges. If you talk to Don I'm sure he will give you a list of questions.

Additional Tyrolean Shooting Item.....

The Stamps of the TR are outstanding in their quality & diversity - as many know. They tell as 'story' of the time & place. The Tirol Shooting Competitors would likely have used these stamps on letter to write home - regarding their achievements as the Fest.

Here is the 1944 issued "7th Tirol Shooting Competition / LANDESSCHIESSEN-INNSBRUCH" Stamp. (Can't get more Tirolean!) It shows a 'Classical' Jaeger / Shooter juxtaposed with a TR Period Soldier with either an MG42 or MG34 over his shoulder. YES.... Shooting skills were quite revered. Grossdeutsches Reich was a term used generally for all territories of Greater Germany (excluding Poland & the OST, as per my understanding.)

A plate block of 4 of each of these - would go well with a Tirol Badge Collection! Enjoy...... Dave/dblmed

I like these stamps a lot and thanks for showing them.
IMO these stamps represent the good old propaganda machine at work. It seems no different in Austria as well.
Although the Deutscher Schutzenbund had to do its part to provide a trained reserve of shooters for the military during the war years and did start a military style shooting program. Most of the members of the Deutscher Schutzenbund didn’t care much for the military style of shooting or the military style of rifles. Matter of fact they didn’t think much of a person that had to lie down on their belly to shoot at a target. They had funny names for these shooters but I can’t remember what. They simply joined these clubs to enjoy the club social gatherings, the festivities and to shoot for the fun of shooting, not to train for the military. The military style rifle matches were introduced into the national meets much earlier but by 1934 the military style of shooting was more or less accepted by club members. Meaning that more members during this time signed up to shoot in the military style matches. If I remember correctly the military style shooters at matches shot 175 meter targets and not the 300 meter targets. Americans use 10 or 25 for the bullseye. Germans used 20 on their stand and field targets and 12 for the KleinKaliber.
Someone mentioned KK on the medals. For those that didn’t know, it means Kleinkaliber.
What I’ve observed is if the award is from a national/federal meet it will state this on the award. Also, stutzen clubs sprang up all over the place. Six hundred clubs at one time in Munich alone. It was a very popular sport, but mainly in Bavaria its birth place and Tyrol. This was an indoor shooting sport which used a very very small caliber round or pellet. A sport that a lot of the locals could afford and have a lot of fun with. I agree that it’s amazing that people still found time to have a little recreational fun all the way to the wars end. At least in this sport anyway, but I think for the most part the recreational part and traditional shooting of the sport was taken away due to the pol/mil situation for war. Are these Austrian awards? I hope I’m not stating something that is already known, just trying to help.

Sorry should have read the entire post. Austrian Tirol they are.