sorry for the quality of this image, but it might help. Some have told me that the handle was too bulbus and that this dagger might be a repo? There is no mark on blade but under the handle appears to be wood. The sides do not have defined hard lines from a mold, however they do have what appears to be carved lives as the handle is one piece.
Thanks for any help
Maker ect..

Very difficult to be absolutely positive with just that one image, however......I do not like the look of that mold line. Any other images would be very useful because repro`s will have more than one tell tale error. It is you say non maker marked & as such my advice would be to forget it.

What do you mean forget about it? I was handed down from my father so I am not purchasing this dagger. I have more pictures on another post. All of the daggers that I look at on line and this post have the same details. I will try to post more images what would be most usefull to look at?
Thanks for the advice.
K

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AKDAWG,,just because a 2nd luft is non maker marked,,does not mean its junk based soley on that fact,,the dagger looks ok from what I can see in the pics, but the handle is definitely more bulbous than any of mine,,,have you taken it down to look at the tang? I would like to see more pics as well as some close-ups,,


What part of AK do you live in? I lived in Anchorage for 7 years I just moved from there a year ago,,,I miss it already!

Maker marked or not, I don't like the look of this piece. Seams can be found on late war grips, but not usually this bad. IMO the eagle doesn't have the detail of originals especially around the head. Looks like the "goonie bird" variety discussed a while back. The pommel also looks suspect. I'd let this one go.

This is a difficult one to tell from these pictures. A close-up of the top of the crossguard and pommel close up would be helpful I also don’t like the look of the birds head. I am not aware of any repo grip that is wood cored? The scabbard looks OK from these pics a band close-up would help. I am on the fence as the man said he inherited the dagger so he is looking to get an answer real or Repo?

I am sorry to say that Fitzer is correct.
This looks exactly like the gooney bird type repro. I got stiffed with one just like it when I first started collecting. They look good at a distance but do not stand close scrutiny. It was discussed at the time but unfortunately that old post has gone.

The one I bought also had the broad bulbous grip. Can you please do as suggested & show the top of the cross guard & also the scabbard throat.

What parts make it look like the gooney bird? I was left several pieces and all others have turned out to be original. When I look on the so called reputable dealers sites the Luftwaffe 2nd has many different styles and I also see this same dagger on their sites.
Can anyone post a pic of a repo like this?
Thanks K

I`m sorry that I no longer have the images & like so many older & valuable postings that one has long gone.

The eagle`s beak is not like an eagles beak but rather resembling that of a Kiwi - only shorter.

Page 266 Wittmans book, generic xguard on an etched Voos, looks remarkably similar to the one shown here, also several examples throughout the book look exactly the same to me in the head, chest feathers, legs and talon position on the swaz. Only reservation I have is the quality of the casting of the xguard, there seems to be a raised edge on the tips and underside of the wings, possibly a recast from a mould taken from a genuine generic xguard. Scabbard is real 100% generic scabbard bands.. Grip ??? yes it does look 'fat', never heard of repro celluloid over wood though

Nolan

Please post better pics of the front - back and top of the crossguard so we can make a better judgment. It may be the Generic guard.

Akdawg: Are you sure the grip is wood underneath? Did you look? I am not suggesting that you do look if you haen't, for it is very risky to remove plaster or wood filled handles. THey crack easily. Your handle has the characteristics of a plaster filled variety. Such handles have seams just like yours.

Like Tom, I'll withhold judgement until I see more photos of the back and sides. My best guess though is that you have a generic crossguard pommel and scabbard. The bald head could just be wear or a poor mold job.

Tom, is there some reason we cannot post on the string that is referened to this one?

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Tom, is there some reason we cannot post on the string that is referened to this one?

Ford it looks like it is because I made a copy of it from the for sale section so you have to have those permissions I didn’t realize that when I did it. I have asked Dave to fix it if he can not we can just start another thread.

Ok thanks to every one for their help, I have some more pics and I will try to get better quality images soon. I have not removed the pommel, however it is loose, and I can see something that appears to be wood or wood in color under handle? I am not trying to sell this as a real dagger. I was handed this down from my father would like to give it to my son. So I dont want to give anyone the impression that I am trying to sell this. Just wanted some of you guy's advice and thanks for all that you have given.

1 More pic, also to let you know there appears to be a peg? holding the spring wrap around the handle. I will get better images soon.
Thanks

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IMO the crossguard is a very poor example of a generic one or maybe even cast from a mould made from an original.

Nolan

I think your dagger is ok. There is not a lot of detail around the head, but it does appear to be the generic guard and pommel. I think it was that bald head that threw everyone. Casting flaws are not that uncommon in this hobby, and I believe that is what we are seeing here. You should feel proud to hand it down to your son.

unfortunately I just had a computer crash & lost a lot of valuable files & pics of my kids but this forced me to do some backing up of what I did have. I came across images of the aforementioned "gooney bird" luft.

This is the dagger that Fitzer had & I got shafted with it from the scum bag that he sold it to.

I can tell you without any shred of doubt that this is a complete fake & I also think that D D Harris can confirm it because if I`m not mistaken he also got shafted with one a couple of years ago. You may draw your own conclusions as to whether the type that akdawg shows is the same type. I believe it is.

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