Could anybody tell me anything about the well known fake KM dagger with the engrabed blade with eagle and swastika, battleship and Kiel monument? Do you know the date when these daggers were made, maker...?
Is there any posibility that any dagger with this kind of blade does exist before 1945?
Thank you very much in advance.
Gregorio

Please, I need some information on this question.
Thank you

Probably made in the 60's and later. Several TM"s were used. No examples have been observed that are believed to be original pre-1945. No evidence that I know of that any originals were ever made.

Thank you very much.
Best regards from Spain.
Gregorio

I think if you search the forum that you will find a post on these daggers.
If not mistaken I have read a post about the navy etched baldes with Kiel monument, and if I remmember well, then this Kiel monument is build late at war's end and no daggers where made during the war.
So all etched navy's with Kiel monument are post war.
Why I do not know?
Search the forum on etched navy or something like that.

The Laboe (Kiel) Naval Memorial was started in 1927 and completed in 1936. Why wouldn't this unique structure (which the Kreigsmarine took great pride in) be incorporated into Third Reich blade designs?

Gelb raises an interesting point, i see militarycollectiblesinc has one for sale here:

http://www.militarycollectiblesinc.com/Merchant2/mercha...Product_Code=da00965

does this mean that the etch is now accpeted as real?

Kiel

etch

more etch

Makers mark

This kind of blade is considered as fake by the most prestigious searchers and collectors. This daggers are very well done in all their parts but with these strange engraved drawings. According to searchers, there are not evidences of this blades before 1945. I want not these in my collection.

Well, using Houston's line of no evidence that the Keil Navy pieces were ever made in the Third Reich period, EXACTLY what evidence is there that the Klaas U-9 WERE produced. I never saw the U-9 etch in their catalog.

Wayne

One true give away on the Clemen & Jung Navy is the fact that the TM is etched instead of stamped, a true way to tell a post war blade on this dagger's maker.
Ron Weinand
Weinand Militaria

Yes, we should let this poor seller know that he has a repro. I'm sure he will appreciate our help. -wagner-

Ron,
Was that true of the Armys and Luft reproductions too?

Von Ryan

Hi Ron, i agree the dagger itself is no good and the makers mark is bad. But is the actual etch, not necessarily on this dagger, period?

Wayne, a very good point indeed regarding the U9. Since it doesn't appear in a catalog, it doesn't exist. Neither does the RAD "fat man". Not everything in the Third Reich was "by the book".

No. the etch pattern is no good either.

So Ron, what you are saying is that Brian's C&J navy is a $5000 fake? Oh wait a minute, he is stating that the TM is stamped. It doesn't look stamped.

Brian who?
Ron Weinandd
Weinand Militaria

Ron, I thought you knew Brian Maederer. He is the owner of militarycollectiblesinc.com as far as I know.

Manfred would have spotted this junk in a New York minute.......AND said so.........
Denny

Hi Denny! How's it hanging? Some things never change do they? Heh! Heh!

Denny -

Nice to see you posting again .... After all the members we're losing .... We need a few of the old pros back -

Gordon